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Old 05-12-2015 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
You would be all for a merger with a Date of Hire integration?
I would accept the standard ALPA integration. Consolidated regional airlines would be in pilots best interests. Better bargaining power, no whipsawing. Not that it matters, the whole thing is about to crumble down around us anyway.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
And you make it sound like there is something we can do about it. You get to decide. The choice is all yours. Don't screw it up.
You really are an idiot. It is not PSA the company doing this, it is PSA the pilots, or at the very least the voice of the pilots, trying to do this....take our pilots to get our planes on schedule. If you cannot take the planes right now, no problem! We will hold them for you and it will help our senior FOs upgrade faster. Basically it would help bridge the gap between our 145 shrink and the 175s coming on line. It HELPS pilots you daft twit! It helps you guys too...You can sort out your twisted training bubble and take the planes later.
Instead, your Union has gone super greedy and wants to actually try and get our pilots over there, making much less than what they would upgrading here, just so they can move up even faster. Sorry. On every account that is greed and selfishness.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
In all seriousness, I don't have the answers. All I know is that there are bigger pieces at play than either you or I have knowledge of. Some on this thread do make PSA look bad. But a lot of you guys come on here and stir the pot needlessly. Both sides egging the other on. What's the point really?
No beef with you Chris. I tend to stay away from this thread these days, but I do read it from time to time. Unfortunately, you are right about the bickering. I will only say that I am generally "reactive" anymore and it takes a lot more than it did before to get me going. This right here will truly define who this new PSA pilot group is going forward.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
You really are an idiot. It is not PSA the company doing this, it is PSA the pilots, or at the very least the voice of the pilots, trying to do this....take our pilots to get our planes on schedule. If you cannot take the planes right now, no problem! We will hold them for you and it will help our senior FOs upgrade faster.
Oh you are right. I just got off the phone with the president of PSA and told him this same thing. You know what he said? He said "shut up, your just a pilot. Leave the airplane schedule to us". Back to the drawing board. Any other suggestions?
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Old 05-12-2015 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
You really are an idiot. It is not PSA the company doing this, it is PSA the pilots, or at the very least the voice of the pilots, trying to do this....take our pilots to get our planes on schedule. If you cannot take the planes right now, no problem! We will hold them for you and it will help our senior FOs upgrade faster. Basically it would help bridge the gap between our 145 shrink and the 175s coming on line. It HELPS pilots you daft twit! It helps you guys too...You can sort out your twisted training bubble and take the planes later.
Instead, your Union has gone super greedy and wants to actually try and get our pilots over there, making much less than what they would upgrading here, just so they can move up even faster. Sorry. On every account that is greed and selfishness.

And if you would post the letter, then we could read it and we may agree with you. Until then, we have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
I would accept the standard ALPA integration. Consolidated regional airlines would be in pilots best interests. Better bargaining power, no whipsawing. Not that it matters, the whole thing is about to crumble down around us anyway.
Not interested in the standard ALPA screw job integration. Date of Hire.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
You really are an idiot. It is not PSA the company doing this, it is PSA the pilots, or at the very least the voice of the pilots, trying to do this....take our pilots to get our planes on schedule. If you cannot take the planes right now, no problem! We will hold them for you and it will help our senior FOs upgrade faster. Basically it would help bridge the gap between our 145 shrink and the 175s coming on line. It HELPS pilots you daft twit! It helps you guys too...You can sort out your twisted training bubble and take the planes later.
Instead, your Union has gone super greedy and wants to actually try and get our pilots over there, making much less than what they would upgrading here, just so they can move up even faster. Sorry. On every account that is greed and selfishness.
So how long do you think it would take for Envoy to upgrade the likely 200 to 250 thy would come to PSA as CAs?
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Old 05-12-2015 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Not interested in the standard ALPA screw job integration. Date of Hire.
Well since its you then ok.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
So how long do you think it would take for Envoy to upgrade the likely 200 to 250 thy would come to PSA as CAs?
If we were to keep the 700s longer? About the same time frame. It bridges the gap until we get the 175s. We are losing 20 CAs per month to AA alone. Really the average is closer to 30 because quite a few guys are moving over to UAL and LCCs too. In November that number goes to 30 a month to AA. Quite a few of our senior FOs are headed to UAL and LCCs as well. Basically, upgrades could resume as early as next month and go at close to 15 per month. They would retain their seniority and not be on reserve forever. Senior FOs would still flow in the next 2-3 years, rather than 20.
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Old 05-12-2015 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond
And if you would post the letter, then we could read it and we may agree with you. Until then, we have no idea what you are talking about.
Trust me if I had it I would. I didn't even get to see all of it. Let me explain how this all went down: your Union sent the letter to ALPA national. Unbelievably, even the scum at national that helped you guys before were appalled at the letter. "Someone" at national leaked the letter. I would be surprised if the Cuuj has even actually seen the whole letter.
The silence from your Union should corroborate this story. If they came out and denied it, national would have their hand forced on he truth.
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