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Old 05-13-2015 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnGardner
This is an actual, serious question:

That was a joke, right? There's no way you are serious, right...?
No its not a joke, why do you say that? What's worse getting furloughed or preferential hiring at another alpa carrier possibly with seniority in tact! Is that not how you read it? That section of the contract seems to indicate integration is possible right?
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Old 05-13-2015 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
No its not a joke, why do you say that? What's worse getting furloughed or preferential hiring at another alpa carrier possibly with seniority in tact! Is that not how you read it? That section of the contract seems to indicate integration is possible right?
He doesn't care. He flowed to AA after orchestrating the demise of envoy pilots.

Goodluck!
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Old 05-13-2015 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
No its not a joke, why do you say that? What's worse getting furloughed or preferential hiring at another alpa carrier possibly with seniority in tact! Is that not how you read it? That section of the contract seems to indicate integration is possible right?
My God, your ignorance makes me sick.
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Old 05-13-2015 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
My God, your ignorance makes me sick.
What am I missing? Envoy is going to shrink, nobody disputes that. I presume that means furloughs. Maybe you can calm down a bit and explain the problem. Sounds like the furloughees could retain their seniority at another alpa airline.
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Old 05-13-2015 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
What am I missing? Envoy is going to shrink, nobody disputes that. I presume that means furloughs. Maybe you can calm down a bit and explain the problem. Sounds like the furloughees could retain their seniority at another alpa airline.
Ummm, furloughs are not even close to being on the horizon here. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Old 05-13-2015 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
What am I missing? Envoy is going to shrink, nobody disputes that. I presume that means furloughs. Maybe you can calm down a bit and explain the problem. Sounds like the furloughees could retain their seniority at another alpa airline.
I've explained the problem quite a bit, as have others. For you to even think that furloughs are a possibility tells me you are pretty out of touch with reality so, with all due respect, I'm not going to waste my time
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Old 05-13-2015 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
I've explained the problem quite a bit, as have others. For you to even think that furloughs are a possibility tells me you are pretty out of touch with reality so, with all due respect, I'm not going to waste my time
Fair enough. Is anyone else willing to explain the problem?
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Old 05-13-2015 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Fair enough. Is anyone else willing to explain the problem?
Uh, no, you lost me and every other Envoy pilot when you wrote down "furloughs", not even close to that point. FOs here are both far away from upgrades and furloughs, limbo is the correct term I believe. And no, we don't need, want or have asked for PSAs help.
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Old 05-13-2015 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mr25cents
Uh, no, you lost me and every other Envoy pilot when you wrote down "furloughs", not even close to that point. FOs here are both far away from upgrades and furloughs, limbo is the correct term I believe. And no, we don't need, want or have asked for PSAs help.
I see. They are offering help where none was wanted.
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Old 05-13-2015 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
What am I missing? Envoy is going to shrink, nobody disputes that. I presume that means furloughs. Maybe you can calm down a bit and explain the problem. Sounds like the furloughees could retain their seniority at another alpa airline.
PSA pilots stabbing Envoy and the rest of the industry in the back is a huge part of why we are in this bad situation at Envoy to begin with. You think we should be grateful to these scumbag bottom-feeders that are taking 47 of our current aircraft and completely undermined our negotiations while the industry was trending upwards for once.. Seriously?
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