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11-06-2016 | 01:36 PM
#4771
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From: A320 FO , prior CRJ CA
I agree that the AA retirement numbers really isn't tied to our flow in any way. The reason that they are of interest is to see what is happening at the legacy carriers. There are literally thousands of retirements in the next few years alone.
If you have a fairly clean record, a college degree, and put forth some effort, you will be able to get a job at a legacy carrier.
United and AA really haven't started hiring a lot yet. So far, this year, here is the hiring by airline:
American: 433
Delta: 1048
United: 473
Southwest: 579
FedEx: 296
UPS: 63
So far, that is a total of about 2,900 for 2016. In 2 years from now, it will be 5,000 a year. Not all will come from the regionals. Some will be from military. Others will be current 91/135 pilots. But the fact remains that in 5 years, the regionals will be decimated.
If you have a fairly clean record, a college degree, and put forth some effort, you will be able to get a job at a legacy carrier.
United and AA really haven't started hiring a lot yet. So far, this year, here is the hiring by airline:
American: 433
Delta: 1048
United: 473
Southwest: 579
FedEx: 296
UPS: 63
So far, that is a total of about 2,900 for 2016. In 2 years from now, it will be 5,000 a year. Not all will come from the regionals. Some will be from military. Others will be current 91/135 pilots. But the fact remains that in 5 years, the regionals will be decimated.
11-06-2016 | 01:55 PM
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Curious, does your Americian numbers include Nov 1st, 15th and 29th classes (over 100 I understand). Your stated "fact" that the regionals will be decimated in 5 years does what for PSA career progression? Does your point of view mean that PSA promotes non existence in 5 years to new hires, or the pilot group must be absorbed into a legacy seniority because of decimation? I'm not sure how to view your statement. Maybe there is no associated view to new hires and I missed your point ?
No one knows for sure.
That is more pilots than currently are employed by all of the regionals combined. Not all hires at the majors will come from the regionals, but many will, if not most.
11-06-2016 | 03:14 PM
#4773
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You should use your own critical thinking skills. What is going to happen to the regionals when the majors and LCC's hire 20,000 in the next 5-6 years? How many new pilots will graduate flight schools and acquire the number of hours required in the next 5-6 years? What will be net deficit be at the regional level?
No one knows for sure.
That is more pilots than currently are employed by all of the regionals combined. Not all hires at the majors will come from the regionals, but many will, if not most.
No one knows for sure.
That is more pilots than currently are employed by all of the regionals combined. Not all hires at the majors will come from the regionals, but many will, if not most.
11-06-2016 | 05:08 PM
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I think you answered my question with a question, but that's ok as your data was of interest. My conclusion is that PSA currently has flat career progression and that is informed by evidence. What will happen in the future (3-5 years) doesn't need my critical thinking, it appears to need HR's and the Operational Managers!
11-06-2016 | 05:10 PM
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You should use your own critical thinking skills. What is going to happen to the regionals when the majors and LCC's hire 20,000 in the next 5-6 years? How many new pilots will graduate flight schools and acquire the number of hours required in the next 5-6 years? What will be net deficit be at the regional level?
No one knows for sure.
That is more pilots than currently are employed by all of the regionals combined. Not all hires at the majors will come from the regionals, but many will, if not most.
No one knows for sure.
That is more pilots than currently are employed by all of the regionals combined. Not all hires at the majors will come from the regionals, but many will, if not most.
11-06-2016 | 05:18 PM
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Good point but be careful on a non WO regional as these will fail first before a WO. Choose a non WO that is stable. Like Skywest.
11-06-2016 | 05:28 PM
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I flew my last flight at PSA, and started class at a new shop this past week. PSA was a great stepping stone for me. My quality of life was great. The new job will pay me a lot more, and is a place that I could spend the next 30 years if I had to. But, I am still hoping that one of the big 3 will call. If not, I will be happy.
11-06-2016 | 05:28 PM
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11-06-2016 | 05:48 PM
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AA is looking to cut it's regionals by 50% in the next few years. There are 10 companies flying for American Eagle right now. Before too long, it will be 5. I would try to avoid the companies that will be losing contracts in the next few years. AA is trying to grow their WO, and will eliminate the non-WO.
I flew my last flight at PSA, and started class at a new shop this past week. PSA was a great stepping stone for me. My quality of life was great. The new job will pay me a lot more, and is a place that I could spend the next 30 years if I had to. But, I am still hoping that one of the big 3 will call. If not, I will be happy.
I flew my last flight at PSA, and started class at a new shop this past week. PSA was a great stepping stone for me. My quality of life was great. The new job will pay me a lot more, and is a place that I could spend the next 30 years if I had to. But, I am still hoping that one of the big 3 will call. If not, I will be happy.
Ironically, it seems having a flow to mainline will help management keep the pilot hired today in an RJ or turboprops longer than the same pilot could do in 2-4 years applying off the street to AA from a non-WO
Congrats on the new job btw! Flying for an airline that sells its own tickets has to be a liberating feeling for you.
11-06-2016 | 06:03 PM
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I realise AA will be forced to cut their regional operations down in the future, pilot shortage and all. But I can't seem to shake the suspicion the regionals remaining after the downsize (cancelling of contracts, etc) will be the WO. AA will dangle the "flow" as a carrot to keep them staffed while flowing the minimum they're required to so the can keep a substantial amount of their domestic operation operated by regional pilots making considerably less the the AA mainline pilots.
Or, you go to a WO, and if you can't get hired elsewhere, then you spend 5-7 years and flow. But in the meantime, you move up the seniority list, upgrade, and have a good quality of life.
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