What picket line did those NAI pilots cross? I forget...

 

PAY is everything and the only real solution, period.

 

What?
Everything in life is indexed to interest rates. It's the cost of useing your furture money.
When mortgage rates go up home equity dips. When they go down equity pops.
Boeing charges more for their birds to foreign countrys because the US export bank subsidizes the interest to those country's.
College tutition has skyrocketed in direct proportion to Stanford loans being available to everyone.
Car manufactures that promote 0% charge more at the sale.
What is does is increase the available customer base and schools will definitely take advantage.
If your a CFI making $25 per hour and have students lined up 6 months out you will start charging $35 or $45.

 

Cute theory but you sound like an uber driver talking about gains without mentioning your expenses.

Cost to own/lease the plane. Takeoff/Landing fees. Insurance...

 

Perhaps, but even that is only a short term solution.

 

Well over a year.

Then it is 5 years.


Of course, but that is also why there is rigorous training and a senior pilot sitting next to you.

Fuel is not even close to the most expensive part of training


It does now. It didn't used to on the bottom end, but with regional FO pay closing in on $60-70k it now makes sense to take a risk to go that far into debt.

Except that due to the 1500 hour rule that wage isn't available for at least a year or more after finishing training.

 

Thank you!

 

There is so much ignorance in this post it's astonishing.

It does not take 4 years to get through flight training. I know freshmen and sophomores in college who have their MEI already. They will easily get 1500 hours before they are even legal to take the ATP written.. They will graduate with a job at the airlines waiting for them, so it won't take "over a year" to be hire-able. Work hard, plan ahead, and you'll get the most out of your time.

How can you say that fuel is not a primary training cost? When I was going through, Avgas cost $6.80 a gallon x12 gph = $81.60/hr just for fuel. If that's chump change to you, then you've had it easier than most.

Lastly, first year FO pay is nowhere near $60-70k. It is closer to $30,000 (unless you're at Mesa, then it is less ). Temporary bonuses can be snatched away at an instant. You want to take out a $100,000 loan hoping that a temporary, one-time bonus will still be waiting for you?

 

More stupidity...

He is only pointing out how much of the ticket actually pays for the crew. It's a small percentage of the ticket, meaning a very small increase in the ticket price could be used to substantially increase the wages for the crew.

 

Pilots are people who inherently want to get the job done. That is why we all screw our own families over to help the airlines. That is why we work for nothing for many years so that the people at the majors can make 5 times as much for basically the same job.

Stop protecting the airlines and say one thing, F-U-Pay-Me. Demand and you will get.

Our unions now let the airlines pay outside of the contract by giving bonuses. Idiot pilots come up with explanations as to why it is ok and why they can do it, Idiots. A company cannot pay a member of the CBA employee group outside of the CBA period. In fact, it is a mandatory bargaining item that must be addressed in every contract.

No, it is not ok just because the company agrees to give them the money before they start their training. As one court said, members of a union choose their representatives to bargain. Just because the company wants to pay certain people more does not mean they can just do it. The union may want to distribute it differently and therefore the parties must negotiate the issue.

At almost all regionals now a first year pilot will make considerably more than a second year pilot. Great unions.