ok, so maybe the joke was a bit immature, ill give u that
But, It's the truth...
think about it before u try to take a shot at me.

and for ur info, I'm 19 and will have a 4y degree in '08.

 

Why the hangup on total hours, age criteria, and college degrees when "quality of training and depth of experience" should be the criteria ?

The Israeli Air Force (IAF) has one of the finest pilot training programs in the world. They start the selection process at age 15 and enter at 18. The program is three years long and only 10-12% make it to graduation. Some of the top fighter pilots in the world are twenty-one and do not have a college degree. In past years many of their top pilots have been "teenagers." A significant number become El AL pilots while continuing as IAF reserve pilots.

Prior to 1962 the USAF trained thousands of pilots and navigators in the Aviation Cadet program. No college was required. One year of training was rewarded with 2nd Lt.'s bars and pilot or navigator wings. You had to be twenty-one by graduation date. I know one pilot who "lied his age" and was an F-86 fighter pilot at Homestead AFB (Miami) at age ninteen.

I'm not sure (someone else could confirm) but I think the Army has Warrant Officer helicopter pilots trained and flying combat by age twenty-one.

Instead of "flaming" these young folks becuse they have goals, lets encourage them and give them advice on what training and experience to get.

 

How many of you would take a 727 FO job with less than 400 hrs TT and less than 100 hrs ME? Starting pay 45K year. That was me. So how does flying banners or skydivers in a cessna help you in a 727? You're not shooting approaches, holding, etc. etc. So what's the point of building that sort of flight time? I had a crap load of 727 sim time about 2yrs from Purdue, knew all the systems, procedures etc, so the real thing wasn't that hard. Remember how old some of the WWII pilots were? 19-21 yrs old flying P-51s and B-17s. Scary stuff.
I think quality experience does count but my sim time doesn't count as TT but it was very good training.

 

That's exactly right.
Low timers are willing to get into the cockpit of an RJ for ****ty pay.
Several reasons perhaps....build hrs, SJS, ego, etc...

The high timers hate this because we're "taking away" their jobs....much how like majors hate the regionals for "taking away" their routes...

If they were in our shoes...they would have done the same damn thing...so whats the deal then?
Paying my dues as a CFI because the ones before us had to also??
sure...I'll jump off a cliff to join your sorority

 

Shane,

While i agree with what you are saying, especially that if they were in your shoes with the same opportunity they would have jumped at it.

However, youre tone and text makes your age and immaturity at that age shine through. A sh!tty attitude like yours is more important than whatever that number under TT says in your logbook, and thats what the airlines need to aviod hiring.

 

no, my attitude isn't ****ty...just ppl telling others with lower times to go do what do they did because they've all been there and done that....
still not a reason for others to follow the footsteps....

sorry if I offended you...

 

Don't worry about offending me....maybe just trying to give you some advice to be a little more thoughtful with the rants you post on here, and maybe then you wouldnt catch so much flak and get into p!ssing contests with everyone.

 

You're not taking my job first of all. But when you sit to the right of me and can't pull your weight,you may not have a job. This is a team effort like none you have ever seen. You need us, we don't need you. We can find more FO's. The company really wants Captains. Some never get there. It takes more then just flying. Remember that. You've not been in the airline environment yet. Captains are managers of many people. When you say hours, think experience. In all these posts you can hear inexperience. Get your training, get in here and learn, OJT. This whole thing about 250 hr pilot are just as good as 1000hr pilots is bull!! Ask the insurance companies. Statistics don't lie.

 

I never said that a 250hrs pilot is just as good as a 1000hr pilot....
ofcourse he won't be...there's not substitute for experience...
but how much better is 1000hr pilot than a 500hr pilot?
How much better is 1500hr pilot compared to a 1000hr pilot?
While anybody with some training can manipulate flight controls, the experience shows when making sound decisions...and you won't learn to make those decisions unless ur sitting next to the guy making them..
The way ur making it sound is like low timers are nothint more than private students...
If we're low time, and your high time.....what are you compared to a 3 or 4000hr captain then? hmmm

 

Would like to hear concrete "flameless" suggestions on the following. Keep in mind that it may not be long before we substitute the word "Major" for "Regional."



FACTS BEARING ON PROBLEM

1.There is a regional airline "feeding frenzy" going on trying to find pilots. The mimimums for hire keep dropping. Flaming each other about the merits of different flight hour levels will not stop the feeding frenzy.

2.The regionals will hire low time pilots.

3. Current screening and initial training programs may be designed for higher experience level new hires. Using pass/fail criteria based on higher experience levels (without changing training) may result in higher % of failures.

4.Standards for advancement to F/O IO training should NOT be changed.

PROBLEM: How should training programs be changed to insure low total time new hires recieve fair screening evaluation and then achieve all previous established training criteria before being becoming operational?