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Old 04-15-2019 | 09:24 AM
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Never trust a flow agreement.
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Old 04-15-2019 | 09:37 AM
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High-ranking Officers didn’t make General by quietly doing what they were told.....but that’s how they made First Lieutenant.
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Old 04-15-2019 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Strykerinf
You’re basically saying that a private should tell a General how to do their job.. let’s see how that would play out. Not trying to argue, debate, or even defend anyone. I am just saying not all of us lie to people.
No one is calling you out individually, but as the face of an airlines recruiting department I'm afraid you're the ones getting blamed for cherry picking the truth.

Like literature advertising a flow time that a new hire should not expect, or showing first year pay as "total first year compensation" which I've seen include everything from health insurance to hotel expenses during training rolled in so they can win guys over with the most dollar signs.

But that's just how the game is played, everyone should know recruiting promises aren't worth much.
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Old 04-15-2019 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Meow1215
To the OP, one of the most important things you need to learn and quickly - there is no pilot shortage, there is however a pay shortage.

Don’t let anybody rook you into thinking there is a pilot shortage or that their will be one. There will always been more ATPs than desirable ATP jobs. Been hearing for 30 years, “it’s coming”, “just around the corner”, “this year”. No, there is no pilot shortage. If the pay and QOL are good, that airline has no issues hiring and retaining. If it’s crap with crap work rules - they cannot staff it.

Go somewhere:
1. You can live in domicile
2. Stand being there for up to 5 years
3. Stable flying contracts
I must admit that for the longest time I was a believer, pilot shortage was a thing. And maybe there are not as many as we think, but overall is a pay shortage, period. Profession rocks, but to be able to make it..... God damn!.
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Old 04-15-2019 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
A private is 18-19 years old, and trained to maneuver and employ a weapon. He probably has absolutely no insight whatsoever to offer a general.

The general has decades of experience at every level of the military, and insight and experience into all the OTHER things which are required for military operations and the broader security objectives of his nation. He is also educated, with typically advanced degrees, at least one of which will involve geo-politics, strategy, history, etc. Oh, yeah and he fought in the trenches with a bunch of privates when he was a LT. So he already knows. He just needs to make sure he's in tune with the current realities of the front-line troops, because things can change over time, and in different circumstances. But he probably doesn't need advice from a teenager.

"Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics"
Then why listen to the mechanic He never flew the plane....
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Old 04-15-2019 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Erj135dude
I must admit that for the longest time I was a believer, pilot shortage was a thing. And maybe there are not as many as we think, but overall is a pay shortage, period. Profession rocks, but to be able to make it..... God damn!.
I made almost 90k (not including per diem) as a first year FO at my regional and we’ve barely grown our list by a dozen people since I got hired. There’s a pilot shortage.
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Old 04-15-2019 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
I made almost 90k (not including per diem) as a first year FO at my regional and we’ve barely grown our list by a dozen people since I got hired. There’s a pilot shortage.
Care to disclose your regional?. I see out there beefy bonuses and really nice salaries like you mentioned. But then 2nd year goes down a lot after 1st year bonuses
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Old 04-15-2019 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Melit
I've been hearing about this rumor for awhile. Is it really happening this time?
Look around you.....
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Old 04-15-2019 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
It's a major. Certainly not a top tier one, but their last contract was a substantial improvement.

And it is a place where you can make $110K a year as a second year FO while buffing your resume to attract a job offer from where you really want to be. And if you never get the call, you'll be making $250k a year or better when you eventually retire. Can't say that about many regionals....
It’s an LCC, and his question was for flow to a major.
That’s
AA, Delta, United, Fedex, UPS (all global airlines)

LCC
Southwest (just got ETOPS, an almost major, kinda in the middle)
JetBlue
Spirit
Frontier
Allegiant
Sun Country
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Old 04-15-2019 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Erj135dude
I must admit that for the longest time I was a believer, pilot shortage was a thing. And maybe there are not as many as we think, but overall is a pay shortage, period. Profession rocks, but to be able to make it..... God damn!.
It currently is a pay shortage. In a few years it becomes a physical shortage. Basic math.

Either way, the end result is a shortage of pilots.
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