Lying pilot recruiters
#23
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Like literature advertising a flow time that a new hire should not expect, or showing first year pay as "total first year compensation" which I've seen include everything from health insurance to hotel expenses during training rolled in so they can win guys over with the most dollar signs.
But that's just how the game is played, everyone should know recruiting promises aren't worth much.
#24
To the OP, one of the most important things you need to learn and quickly - there is no pilot shortage, there is however a pay shortage.
Don’t let anybody rook you into thinking there is a pilot shortage or that their will be one. There will always been more ATPs than desirable ATP jobs. Been hearing for 30 years, “it’s coming”, “just around the corner”, “this year”. No, there is no pilot shortage. If the pay and QOL are good, that airline has no issues hiring and retaining. If it’s crap with crap work rules - they cannot staff it.
Go somewhere:
1. You can live in domicile
2. Stand being there for up to 5 years
3. Stable flying contracts
Don’t let anybody rook you into thinking there is a pilot shortage or that their will be one. There will always been more ATPs than desirable ATP jobs. Been hearing for 30 years, “it’s coming”, “just around the corner”, “this year”. No, there is no pilot shortage. If the pay and QOL are good, that airline has no issues hiring and retaining. If it’s crap with crap work rules - they cannot staff it.
Go somewhere:
1. You can live in domicile
2. Stand being there for up to 5 years
3. Stable flying contracts
#25
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A private is 18-19 years old, and trained to maneuver and employ a weapon. He probably has absolutely no insight whatsoever to offer a general.
The general has decades of experience at every level of the military, and insight and experience into all the OTHER things which are required for military operations and the broader security objectives of his nation. He is also educated, with typically advanced degrees, at least one of which will involve geo-politics, strategy, history, etc. Oh, yeah and he fought in the trenches with a bunch of privates when he was a LT. So he already knows. He just needs to make sure he's in tune with the current realities of the front-line troops, because things can change over time, and in different circumstances. But he probably doesn't need advice from a teenager.
"Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics"
The general has decades of experience at every level of the military, and insight and experience into all the OTHER things which are required for military operations and the broader security objectives of his nation. He is also educated, with typically advanced degrees, at least one of which will involve geo-politics, strategy, history, etc. Oh, yeah and he fought in the trenches with a bunch of privates when he was a LT. So he already knows. He just needs to make sure he's in tune with the current realities of the front-line troops, because things can change over time, and in different circumstances. But he probably doesn't need advice from a teenager.
"Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics"
#26
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I made almost 90k (not including per diem) as a first year FO at my regional and we’ve barely grown our list by a dozen people since I got hired. There’s a pilot shortage.
#27
Care to disclose your regional?. I see out there beefy bonuses and really nice salaries like you mentioned. But then 2nd year goes down a lot after 1st year bonuses
#29
It's a major. Certainly not a top tier one, but their last contract was a substantial improvement.
And it is a place where you can make $110K a year as a second year FO while buffing your resume to attract a job offer from where you really want to be. And if you never get the call, you'll be making $250k a year or better when you eventually retire. Can't say that about many regionals....
And it is a place where you can make $110K a year as a second year FO while buffing your resume to attract a job offer from where you really want to be. And if you never get the call, you'll be making $250k a year or better when you eventually retire. Can't say that about many regionals....
That’s
AA, Delta, United, Fedex, UPS (all global airlines)
LCC
Southwest (just got ETOPS, an almost major, kinda in the middle)
JetBlue
Spirit
Frontier
Allegiant
Sun Country
#30
Either way, the end result is a shortage of pilots.
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