Lying pilot recruiters
04-15-2019 | 02:36 PM
#32
In a land of unicorns
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From: Whale FO
I think the 91/135 sector will be worst off.
Lots of corporate flight depts will close, because they just can't pay the money ATP rated pilots will want, when legacies start hiring at 100%.
04-15-2019 | 04:02 PM
#33
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From: Semi-Retired...
The only thing that can prevent the shortage in the next few years is a black swan 9/11 style event. Then the airlines could retire to shrink without needing new pilots to replace the old ones.
I think the 91/135 sector will be worst off.
Lots of corporate flight depts will close, because they just can't pay the money ATP rated pilots will want, when legacies start hiring at 100%.
I think the 91/135 sector will be worst off.
Lots of corporate flight depts will close, because they just can't pay the money ATP rated pilots will want, when legacies start hiring at 100%.
I’ll add that you’ll see fantastic work rule improvements outside of 121 scheduled passenger service. It’s already happening with positive space to/from work. Hotels, never a crashpad. Totally free benefits company paid.
1 small regional is already offering home basing and positive space tickets, and no crashpads. It will eventually become expected as the shortage deepens.
04-16-2019 | 05:16 AM
#37
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No a major is actually defined by revenue. It has been redefined in some respect as a 121 jet carrier where the paint matched the name on the paycheck. All those LCCs are majors, just not the same tier as one another.
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04-16-2019 | 09:09 AM
#38
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
The industry itself considers majors to operate at least some NB aircraft, sell tickets, and operate under their own brand.
Legacies did interstate air service prior to deregulation. They use a hub and spoke model, to one degree or another.
Most regionals are actually FFD, flying in some legacies paint. There are few small branded commuters left.
The APC airline profiles reflect the "industry standard" definitions. We don't try to distinguish between national, LCC, ULCC as that is somewhat in the eye of the beholder.
04-16-2019 | 10:03 AM
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The federal government definition of a major is by revenue, X billion $.
The industry itself considers majors to operate at least some NB aircraft, sell tickets, and operate under their own brand.
Legacies did interstate air service prior to deregulation. They use a hub and spoke model, to one degree or another.
Most regionals are actually FFD, flying in some legacies paint. There are few small branded commuters left.
The APC airline profiles reflect the "industry standard" definitions. We don't try to distinguish between national, LCC, ULCC as that is somewhat in the eye of the beholder.
The industry itself considers majors to operate at least some NB aircraft, sell tickets, and operate under their own brand.
Legacies did interstate air service prior to deregulation. They use a hub and spoke model, to one degree or another.
Most regionals are actually FFD, flying in some legacies paint. There are few small branded commuters left.
The APC airline profiles reflect the "industry standard" definitions. We don't try to distinguish between national, LCC, ULCC as that is somewhat in the eye of the beholder.
Agreed. If it were just revenue, many ACMI carriers would be listed as major airlines.
Likewise, simply flying the same size aircraft does not a major airline make.
All of the legacy/major airlines are global airlines.
An LCC that does a few Mexico, South America, or similar destinations is not a global major airline
We have
legacy/major
National / LCC
Regional
ACMI (can’t say cargo, since there are passenger only ACMI)
A Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant, Sun Country and the rest of the National LCC’s are not legacy or major airlines.
An example. People still run to leave a Frontier, Allegiant or Spirit when a Delta, United or American calls....
they just aren’t the same category carrier.
04-16-2019 | 11:50 AM
#40
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From: 737 FO
Agreed. If it were just revenue, many ACMI carriers would be listed as major airlines.
Likewise, simply flying the same size aircraft does not a major airline make.
All of the legacy/major airlines are global airlines.
An LCC that does a few Mexico, South America, or similar destinations is not a global major airline
We have
legacy/major
National / LCC
Regional
ACMI (can’t say cargo, since there are passenger only ACMI)
A Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant, Sun Country and the rest of the National LCC’s are not legacy or major airlines.
An example. People still run to leave a Frontier, Allegiant or Spirit when a Delta, United or American calls....
they just aren’t the same category carrier.
Likewise, simply flying the same size aircraft does not a major airline make.
All of the legacy/major airlines are global airlines.
An LCC that does a few Mexico, South America, or similar destinations is not a global major airline
We have
legacy/major
National / LCC
Regional
ACMI (can’t say cargo, since there are passenger only ACMI)
A Frontier, Spirit, Allegiant, Sun Country and the rest of the National LCC’s are not legacy or major airlines.
An example. People still run to leave a Frontier, Allegiant or Spirit when a Delta, United or American calls....
they just aren’t the same category carrier.
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