AA Flow-Thrus Should Require a Degree
05-28-2019, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by VisionWings
The college system has changed significantly. Information used yo be concentrated in the hands a few. The internet gave the information to the masses. You can find information online to create and generate your own business and be very successful without a degree. Work for someone else and they demand you're in debt far exceeding their base pay to enslave you for 10-15 years; between a mortgage and student loans you need a job. Our generation was tricked into going to college being told it will all pay off when the inflated price of a degree is as simple as 3 months of internet research. Break the cycle of oppression the airlines are seeing you must change to meet the need of the industry. In this case hands on experience is more valuable than a degree. If a degree was really a sign of better understanding and a more intelligent individual; Airlines would then offer instead to pay individuals with a degree to take flight lessons. Cost efficient for 1,500 hours of hands on experience is significantly more relevant than a study of aviation law and the history of the Wright brothers. If you want to buy a piece of paper for 100,000-200,000 and offer an opinion to that justification for the peanuts you make in regionals - feel free. For the rest of us that understand compound interest of student loans and relevance of experience exceeding a piece of paper will keep that money to invest in better markets.
05-28-2019, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
Nail on the head. It shows the ability to survive, self teach, and navigate a bloated system. Doesn’t matter what you actually learned, it’s that you demonstrated you can learn without having your hand held the whole time.
05-29-2019, 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
In other words, "misery loves company"? I too have a degree, but the entire system is absolutely stupid. Degrees have no practical use anymore.
05-29-2019, 03:50 AM
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You're in essence saying that a degree is maturity. This is far from the truth simply look at a lot of lawyers who have master's but are so immature and corrupt you wouldn't want one to "babysit" another insulting comment to the crew that actually manages the majority of the flight while you sit in the front talking about how you had this great steak in Miami with this vegan model who also happens to be a pilot. Playing the game and putting money into a system that is overprice and produces absolutely minimal value with today's readily available resources and saying that you just have to make this bad financial decisions for the sake of getting a job is like saying. "It's always been this way, there's nothing better; do it or you're not playing the game right". Pre-1990 degrees were not the standard less than half had them. Now the market is saturated with degrees. I'll again say it- if a degree is truly a sign of more maturity then ADM and the hogan would be passed much easier and flights would be much safer with a pilot with fewer hours and a degree in underwater basket weaving than a pilot who is well versed in aviation from hands on experience and obsessive by nature in researching the mechanical and geographical information associated with safe travels.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
A few things...
Bottom line, airlines want a white-collar culture in their pilot ranks, the pilots (especially the CA's) are often the adult supervision in the room out on line where everyone else is minimum wage with (maybe) a HS degree... and (literally) a couple Billion $ on the line with each flight. You can fit into that culture, airlines can and do hire a few folks without degrees but they don't want that to be the norm. You'll see more of it, at least for a while, in the near future.
Getting a degree is just how you play the game in this day and age, and they want team players who have some competitive edge. If you're looking to be a rugged individualist and go your own way, either do it in another sector of aviation, or do it on your days off... you can wear long sleeves, just have to pass on the neck and face tats. Although there's always henna.
Also... because they can. If they have 6,000 apps on file and are hiring 30, they can pick plenty of folks who have the degree AND plenty of aviation creds and experience.
Bottom line, airlines want a white-collar culture in their pilot ranks, the pilots (especially the CA's) are often the adult supervision in the room out on line where everyone else is minimum wage with (maybe) a HS degree... and (literally) a couple Billion $ on the line with each flight. You can fit into that culture, airlines can and do hire a few folks without degrees but they don't want that to be the norm. You'll see more of it, at least for a while, in the near future.
Getting a degree is just how you play the game in this day and age, and they want team players who have some competitive edge. If you're looking to be a rugged individualist and go your own way, either do it in another sector of aviation, or do it on your days off... you can wear long sleeves, just have to pass on the neck and face tats. Although there's always henna.
Also... because they can. If they have 6,000 apps on file and are hiring 30, they can pick plenty of folks who have the degree AND plenty of aviation creds and experience.
05-29-2019, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by VisionWings
You're in essence saying that a degree is maturity. This is far from the truth simply look at a lot of lawyers who have master's but are so immature and corrupt you wouldn't want one to "babysit" another insulting comment to the crew that actually manages the majority of the flight while you sit in the front talking about how you had this great steak in Miami with this vegan model who also happens to be a pilot. Playing the game and putting money into a system that is overprice and produces absolutely minimal value with today's readily available resources and saying that you just have to make this bad financial decisions for the sake of getting a job is like saying. "It's always been this way, there's nothing better; do it or you're not playing the game right". Pre-1990 degrees were not the standard less than half had them. Now the market is saturated with degrees. I'll again say it- if a degree is truly a sign of more maturity then ADM and the hogan would be passed much easier and flights would be much safer with a pilot with fewer hours and a degree in underwater basket weaving than a pilot who is well versed in aviation from hands on experience and obsessive by nature in researching the mechanical and geographical information associated with safe travels.
05-29-2019, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by VisionWings
You're in essence saying that a degree is maturity. This is far from the truth simply look at a lot of lawyers who have master's but are so immature and corrupt you wouldn't want one to "babysit" another insulting comment to the crew that actually manages the majority of the flight while you sit in the front talking about how you had this great steak in Miami with this vegan model who also happens to be a pilot. Playing the game and putting money into a system that is overprice and produces absolutely minimal value with today's readily available resources and saying that you just have to make this bad financial decisions for the sake of getting a job is like saying. "It's always been this way, there's nothing better; do it or you're not playing the game right". Pre-1990 degrees were not the standard less than half had them. Now the market is saturated with degrees. I'll again say it- if a degree is truly a sign of more maturity then ADM and the hogan would be passed much easier and flights would be much safer with a pilot with fewer hours and a degree in underwater basket weaving than a pilot who is well versed in aviation from hands on experience and obsessive by nature in researching the mechanical and geographical information associated with safe travels.
I do agree that college is pretty diluted these days now that they want everyone to attend... had to adjust to the LCD, who demands that his GPA and esteem be intact at the end.
Good news is that online degrees are cheap and easy, and majors will accept that. They might not accept someone who refuses to check the box on a matter of principle... if you're thinking of going there, hope you have multiple type ratings (including heavies), and extensive experience including transport category training department experience.
05-29-2019, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Learflyer
Tired of hearing how a degree measures the "ability to grind through something."
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