View Poll Results: Do you hangout with the flight attendants?
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hanging out with the F/A?
10-15-2019, 12:43 PM
#81
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 459
Originally Posted by MedSledDriver
I’ve worked way to hard to get blindsided by any of that.
Yeah what a blindside that would be. I'm afraid I've swallowed the troll bait. I sure hope so.
10-15-2019, 12:56 PM
#82
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,527
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
No, men who don’t behave appropriately around women have targets on their backs.
You’re not exactly being professional in your interaction if you’re too terrified to fly with them.
You’re not exactly being professional in your interaction if you’re too terrified to fly with them.
I saw careers destroyed, both in college and in the military, over he-said/she-said’s that were absolutely unprovable but even if true did not rise to the level of criminal activity.
I’ll be the first to admit that there are wild guys out there with little respect for women and very poor impulse control who do need to be reined in, but anyone who thinks there aren’t wild women out there with poor impulse control who will take advantage of the fact that a he-said/she-said can easily destroy a man’s career is an idiot.
Personally, I think if you have someone keeping the home fires burning and taking care of the kids, that’s where you ought to be looking for romance. And if you don’t, I’d strongly recommend you look for... whatever, outside of your own employee pool.
10-15-2019, 01:01 PM
#83
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 60
Originally Posted by OOfff
It appears that your approach is to either attempt to flirt with female coworkers or run away from them (and throwing insults over your shoulder) like you’re scared of interacting with them. That’s not exactly the hallmark of a “professional.”
It’s one thing to flirt with female coworkers when it’s 2004 and you work a the mall. I used to do it. Good times. I was a kid. I stopped it almost immediately in 2008 when I got into the military and we were briefed on “no woman on base being single” by AFOSI. The connotation being that if you have consensual relations with them and their deployed husband finds out, 8 times out of 10 she’ll cry rape. The military judicial process is a little more objective than a corporate firing squad, but only a little.
Her word is always worth more. I will not take any chances.
You’re right in thinking I’m scared. I’m terrified. The thought of losing the decade I spent trying to get to a regional only to have it stripped away by a some thot with an axe to grind is terrifying. Like I said, a problem I want to stay lightyears away from.
Its kinda peculiar when people are shocked to discover men don’t want to expose themselves to unnecessary risk and treat female coworkers and employees as liabilities. It’s just simple cause and effect.
10-15-2019, 01:04 PM
#84
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: retired 767(dl)
Posts: 5,730
Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
So where are you an FA?
10-15-2019, 02:04 PM
#85
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,950
Originally Posted by MedSledDriver
I have ZERO intention or interest in flirting with female coworkers. I don’t know where you’re getting that from.
It’s one thing to flirt with female coworkers when it’s 2004 and you work a the mall. I used to do it. Good times. I was a kid. I stopped it almost immediately in 2008 when I got into the military and we were briefed on “no woman on base being single” by AFOSI. The connotation being that if you have consensual relations with them and their deployed husband finds out, 8 times out of 10 she’ll cry rape. The military judicial process is a little more objective than a corporate firing squad, but only a little.
Her word is always worth more. I will not take any chances.
You’re right in thinking I’m scared. I’m terrified. The thought of losing the decade I spent trying to get to a regional only to have it stripped away by a some thot with an axe to grind is terrifying. Like I said, a problem I want to stay lightyears away from.
Its kinda peculiar when people are shocked to discover men don’t want to expose themselves to unnecessary risk and treat female coworkers and employees as liabilities. It’s just simple cause and effect.
It’s one thing to flirt with female coworkers when it’s 2004 and you work a the mall. I used to do it. Good times. I was a kid. I stopped it almost immediately in 2008 when I got into the military and we were briefed on “no woman on base being single” by AFOSI. The connotation being that if you have consensual relations with them and their deployed husband finds out, 8 times out of 10 she’ll cry rape. The military judicial process is a little more objective than a corporate firing squad, but only a little.
Her word is always worth more. I will not take any chances.
You’re right in thinking I’m scared. I’m terrified. The thought of losing the decade I spent trying to get to a regional only to have it stripped away by a some thot with an axe to grind is terrifying. Like I said, a problem I want to stay lightyears away from.
Its kinda peculiar when people are shocked to discover men don’t want to expose themselves to unnecessary risk and treat female coworkers and employees as liabilities. It’s just simple cause and effect.
Actually, I’m going to take your advice to heart and call in sick any time I get line checked. I mean, the check airman could just make up anything and get me fired right?
While I’m at it, I’m never going to drive again. A cop could pull me over for no reason and plant drugs on me, and no one will believe me.
The FA’s I can kind of see, but your female captains and FO’s are trusted, trained professionals. What a terrible way to treat your coworkers.
Last edited by DarkSideMoon; 10-15-2019 at 02:20 PM.
10-15-2019, 02:23 PM
#86
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 571
I can always count on APC to learn new things. I had to google thot, neet, and incel. I’m only in middle age and I feel like a dinosaur trying to figure out what the young’ns are saying.
10-15-2019, 02:26 PM
#87
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 60
Originally Posted by Excargodog
Actually, I have to throw in with MedSledDriver on this one. While I wouldn’t refuse to fly with a woman pilot (hey, CVRs can be your friend too) the “Dear Colleague” letter that came out in Title IX during the Obama administration pointed out that - for men - the historical presumption of innocence regarding criminal acts involving sex was now gone. You were either inherently to be disbelieved because of your gender, or so steeped in “toxic masculinity” that it was presumed you simply couldn’t help yourself.
I saw careers destroyed, both in college and in the military, over he-said/she-said’s that were absolutely unprovable but even if true did not rise to the level of criminal activity.
I’ll be the first to admit that there are wild guys out there with little respect for women and very poor impulse control who do need to be reined in, but anyone who thinks there aren’t wild women out there with poor impulse control who will take advantage of the fact that a he-said/she-said can easily destroy a man’s career is an idiot.
Personally, I think if you have someone keeping the home fires burning and taking care of the kids, that’s where you ought to be looking for romance. And if you don’t, I’d strongly recommend you look for... whatever, outside of your own employee pool.
I saw careers destroyed, both in college and in the military, over he-said/she-said’s that were absolutely unprovable but even if true did not rise to the level of criminal activity.
I’ll be the first to admit that there are wild guys out there with little respect for women and very poor impulse control who do need to be reined in, but anyone who thinks there aren’t wild women out there with poor impulse control who will take advantage of the fact that a he-said/she-said can easily destroy a man’s career is an idiot.
Personally, I think if you have someone keeping the home fires burning and taking care of the kids, that’s where you ought to be looking for romance. And if you don’t, I’d strongly recommend you look for... whatever, outside of your own employee pool.
10-15-2019, 02:35 PM
#88
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,317
Originally Posted by OOfff
There are already criminal statutes about false accusations, the penalties for which involve jail time.
10-15-2019, 02:39 PM
#89
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 60
Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
There was a lawsuit recently where a male owner/captain at a 135 was accused of inappropriately touching their male FO’s. Sounds like you’re going to need to stay in the world of single pilot ops if you want to be truly safe.
Actually, I’m going to take your advice to heart and call in sick any time I get line checked. I mean, the check airman could just make up anything and get me fired right?
While I’m at it, I’m never going to drive again. A cop could pull me over for no reason and plant drugs on me, and no one will believe me.
The FA’s I can kind of see, but your female captains and FO’s are trusted, trained professionals. What a terrible way to treat your coworkers.
Actually, I’m going to take your advice to heart and call in sick any time I get line checked. I mean, the check airman could just make up anything and get me fired right?
While I’m at it, I’m never going to drive again. A cop could pull me over for no reason and plant drugs on me, and no one will believe me.
The FA’s I can kind of see, but your female captains and FO’s are trusted, trained professionals. What a terrible way to treat your coworkers.
Nothing is totally safe, but if you play stupid games, you’re gonna win stupid prizes. I’m electing to not play. That’s as simple as I can make it for you.
To deny that men have the deck stacked against them and to only focus on how it might affect “trusted” female captains and FOs is blatantly ignorant and.... not professional.
10-15-2019, 03:27 PM
#90
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 627
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Enforcement of said penalties now constitutes "victim shaming" and a politically sensitive DA won't go there.
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