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Old 05-16-2020 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Chapter 11 doesn’t scare me. Even if that means selling off the wholly owneds to a different holding company...

What scares me is if AA goes away completely. I know that major US cities will still need lift. But I also know that the market can easily shed an airline and not miss a beat. Even one the size of AA...
I would agree. Spirit has plenty of planes on order to pick up a large portion of that load, not to mention all the feeders that could start flying more routes. Once you include Frontier and SWA into it, I think the industry could take over the loss of one of the majors.

I dont however think AA is going anywhere, most certainly into Chapter 11, but not going away completely.
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Old 05-16-2020 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
What scares me is if AA goes away completely. I know that major US cities will still need lift. But I also know that the market can easily shed an airline and not miss a beat. Even one the size of AA...
It's a possibility, but not a foregone conclusion. Most independent analysts consider AA the prime candidate for Ch.11 and potentially Ch.7.

Depends on speed of recovery plus the federal aid wildcard... it would be hard for the fed to aid the industry while allowing any of the big three to fail completely. And the fed may need to further aid the industry.
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Old 05-16-2020 | 07:35 AM
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I suspect F9 will continue to pick away at AA hubs and routes like they were doing pre Chinese Virus. PHL, MIA, CLT and Latin America. Bill Franke knows the territory and has the cash and new planes.
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Old 05-16-2020 | 02:37 PM
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there is obviously a lot of speculation on what is going to happen with the industry because of covid. But, when are we likely to start having a more clear picture about this?
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Old 05-16-2020 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It's a possibility, but not a foregone conclusion. Most independent analysts consider AA the prime candidate for Ch.11 and potentially Ch.7.

Depends on speed of recovery plus the federal aid wildcard... it would be hard for the fed to aid the industry while allowing any of the big three to fail completely. And the fed may need to further aid the industry.

Decent amount of cash on hand and debt doesn’t kick in until ‘22. Why is it always assumed that we are the dog that needs to be put down?


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Old 05-17-2020 | 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Macchi30
there is obviously a lot of speculation on what is going to happen with the industry because of covid. But, when are we likely to start having a more clear picture about this?
Before the end of the year for Ch11 is my guess.
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Old 05-17-2020 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
Decent amount of cash on hand and debt doesn’t kick in until ‘22. Why is it always assumed that we are the dog that needs to be put down?


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Some of financial analyst/commentators are probably more business experts than airline experts, they may be missing some factors which should be considered. From where I sit UA doesn't appear to be in much better shape than AA.

The debt schedule could be a big factor, as opposed to the total debt vs. assets.
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Old 05-17-2020 | 03:48 PM
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The BIG issue is resumption of demand. If it stays below x% for y months, everyone goes chapter 11. If it gets above a% before b more months, back to business as usual. In between, some will live, some will die.
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Old 05-17-2020 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
From where I sit UA doesn't appear to be in much better shape than AA.
UAL and DAL are in worse shape than AAL. You seem to suggest that it’s not a foregone conclusion AA is going under, but that it’s likely. Laughable to talk about AAL like that and not the others (like the company where you work with the most wide body and Asia flying... might not concern the analysts who have no idea how this industry operates, but it should be on your radar)
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Old 05-17-2020 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
UAL and DAL are in worse shape than AAL. You seem to suggest that it’s not a foregone conclusion AA is going under, but that it’s likely. Laughable to talk about AAL like that and not the others (like the company where you work with the most wide body and Asia flying, chief.). I know it’s easier and more fun to poke someone else’s eye than your own eye, but your the head honcho here. Aren’t you supposed to be a little more level headed than the average jabroni?
Hmmm, I can’t even make heads or tails what you’re trying to say. Makes me think rick is more level headed that you?
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