Future of United Express
#112
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Another reason: when you are trying to increase the number of banks at a hub, a good way to start a new bank is by starting with low capacity aircraft then upgauging. Not just adding a new 6am flight on a 737 just because.
Another reason: if you're competing with another carrier with better frequency, you'd rather smaller planes so they fill up and you can have more frequency yourself to compete.
Another reason: small markets not served by ULCC carriers are stupid profitable. Giving those up completely indefinitely doesn't make sense. And serving them with a 550? Maybe but it's not as efficient.
Look I'm not saying ZW will for sure live, and I'm not saying there won't be lots of cuts and broken hearts. But there is absolutely plenty of reason to think that 50 seat a/c make sense going forward.
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Ok because if that were the case, they wouldn't have flown any 50 seaters when they only had 4% traffic in April. And they wouldn't have leaned in at all in the following months.
Another reason: when you are trying to increase the number of banks at a hub, a good way to start a new bank is by starting with low capacity aircraft then upgauging. Not just adding a new 6am flight on a 737 just because.
Another reason: if you're competing with another carrier with better frequency, you'd rather smaller planes so they fill up and you can have more frequency yourself to compete.
Another reason: small markets not served by ULCC carriers are stupid profitable. Giving those up completely indefinitely doesn't make sense. And serving them with a 550? Maybe but it's not as efficient.
Look I'm not saying ZW will for sure live, and I'm not saying there won't be lots of cuts and broken hearts. But there is absolutely plenty of reason to think that 50 seat a/c make sense going forward.
Another reason: when you are trying to increase the number of banks at a hub, a good way to start a new bank is by starting with low capacity aircraft then upgauging. Not just adding a new 6am flight on a 737 just because.
Another reason: if you're competing with another carrier with better frequency, you'd rather smaller planes so they fill up and you can have more frequency yourself to compete.
Another reason: small markets not served by ULCC carriers are stupid profitable. Giving those up completely indefinitely doesn't make sense. And serving them with a 550? Maybe but it's not as efficient.
Look I'm not saying ZW will for sure live, and I'm not saying there won't be lots of cuts and broken hearts. But there is absolutely plenty of reason to think that 50 seat a/c make sense going forward.
#114
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There is going to still be 50 seat aircraft. Difference is they are going to be 50 seat aircraft that United can sell a first class seat on and pocket a couple thousand more dollars on each flight, the 550. In terms of operating costs there really isn’t that much of a difference between the 200 and the 550, and when you turn that metric to profit margins, espically with the first class tickets, it swings in the 550’s favor.
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Ok because if that were the case, they wouldn't have flown any 50 seaters when they only had 4% traffic in April. And they wouldn't have leaned in at all in the following months.
Another reason: when you are trying to increase the number of banks at a hub, a good way to start a new bank is by starting with low capacity aircraft then upgauging. Not just adding a new 6am flight on a 737 just because.
Another reason: if you're competing with another carrier with better frequency, you'd rather smaller planes so they fill up and you can have more frequency yourself to compete.
Another reason: small markets not served by ULCC carriers are stupid profitable. Giving those up completely indefinitely doesn't make sense. And serving them with a 550? Maybe but it's not as efficient.
Look I'm not saying ZW will for sure live, and I'm not saying there won't be lots of cuts and broken hearts. But there is absolutely plenty of reason to think that 50 seat a/c make sense going forward.
Another reason: when you are trying to increase the number of banks at a hub, a good way to start a new bank is by starting with low capacity aircraft then upgauging. Not just adding a new 6am flight on a 737 just because.
Another reason: if you're competing with another carrier with better frequency, you'd rather smaller planes so they fill up and you can have more frequency yourself to compete.
Another reason: small markets not served by ULCC carriers are stupid profitable. Giving those up completely indefinitely doesn't make sense. And serving them with a 550? Maybe but it's not as efficient.
Look I'm not saying ZW will for sure live, and I'm not saying there won't be lots of cuts and broken hearts. But there is absolutely plenty of reason to think that 50 seat a/c make sense going forward.
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Everything else will probably be 550s / 700s with Mesa . 175s with Mesa, SkyWest and RAH .
Might be time to put in an application at Mesa and Skywest .
Dam I cant believe I just said that .
#118
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In years past they always managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat somehow and stay afloat. These are different times now and they have a product no one wants . They should have obtained new equipment years ago , reinvested in the company. Maybe too much too late now . Reactive instead of proactive.
There will be some carriers that fall by the wayside ,and a lot of shuffling within Uax. A lot of people will be surprised at who dosent survive the cut .
There will be some carriers that fall by the wayside ,and a lot of shuffling within Uax. A lot of people will be surprised at who dosent survive the cut .
"Oh, but THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT"
That's what they said the last 50 times they said the airline was done for this time... Nope, I'm not buying it until they actually close up shop.
#119
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You know what I like doing on Friday nights? Sitting down with some bourbon and looking at the AW forums between 2000 and 2010 and seeing all the doomers saying that AWA will be done for in less than a year. It's like watching a prime time sitcom, but actually funny.
"Oh, but THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT"
That's what they said the last 50 times they said the airline was done for this time... Nope, I'm not buying it until they actually close up shop.
"Oh, but THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT"
That's what they said the last 50 times they said the airline was done for this time... Nope, I'm not buying it until they actually close up shop.
As long as there is a market from small towns to hubs, some 50 seaters will remain.
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but I like growth![/QUOTE]
Don't quit your day job professor...
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