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Old 07-19-2020 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by normalperson
Sorry for the dumb question but are we talking about taking seats out of YV 900s to fly for UAX? Or we need seats out to continue flying for AA?
AA, thread got side tracked by someone coming into the tread talking about what they heard with a minor change as to what AA was going to do. And we don’t necessarily need to take seats out. Just one thing that may happen to help AA’s scope trouble, but there are other things that could be done to help with that to.
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Old 07-19-2020 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
You put too much faith in those people in atw.
One day you’ll show up and the doors in atw will be chained up , don’t put a 9mm to your head and pull the trigger .
Mate, it's a job, not my life. I'm gonna be sad if it closes, but there'll be other jobs after the recovery. I'm just saying that people have been thinking AWAC has been circling the drain for decades now. Doesn't mean it's happening now.
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Old 07-19-2020 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dremaldent
Mate, it's a job, not my life. I'm gonna be sad if it closes, but there'll be other jobs after the recovery. I'm just saying that people have been thinking AWAC has been circling the drain for decades now. Doesn't mean it's happening now.
look at the numbers . The block hours at uax are going to Skywest, Mesa and Rah. Everyone else is trying to survive off of the left over scraps .
I Hope I’m wrong but numbers don’t lie.
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Old 07-19-2020 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
I Hope I’m wrong.
No you don't.
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Old 07-19-2020 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
look at the numbers . The block hours at uax are going to Skywest, Mesa and Rah. Everyone else is trying to survive off of the left over scraps .
I Hope I’m wrong but numbers don’t lie.
United yanked someone else’s block hours (sounds like possibly Commutair’s; sorry to whoever was on the bad end of that) to double August’s schedule after discussions last month and Whiskey undowngraded 90+ captains. Doesn’t sound like they’re ready to throw Whiskey away. Not to say those three won’t have the lion’s share of the flying but it’s not all doom and gloom.
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Old 07-19-2020 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
United yanked someone else’s block hours (sounds like possibly Commutair’s; sorry to whoever was on the bad end of that) to double August’s schedule after discussions last month and Whiskey undowngraded 90+ captains. Doesn’t sound like they’re ready to throw Whiskey away. Not to say those three won’t have the lion’s share of the flying but it’s not all doom and gloom.
Exactly, just because we're not coming ahead at the front doesn't mean we're done for. The company is continuing to invest into the 700s. They wouldn't be doing that if they were expecting the company to die.
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Old 07-19-2020 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dremaldent
Exactly, just because we're not coming ahead at the front doesn't mean we're done for. The company is continuing to invest into the 700s. They wouldn't be doing that if they were expecting the company to die.
There isn’t enough flying to support 7 or 8 regional carriers . Not now and it won’t be for quite awhile .Unless Uncle Sam starts printing more money to give away, it will be financially impossible for all of these companies to survive .
Something has to give , thats all I’m saying .
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Old 07-19-2020 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
There isn’t enough flying to support 7 or 8 regional carriers . Not now and it won’t be for quite awhile .Unless Uncle Sam starts printing more money to give away, it will be financially impossible for all of these companies to survive .
Something has to give , thats all I’m saying .
You can’t just hand wave away a contract though....
Unless you own/control the regional you’re trying to mothball.
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Old 07-19-2020 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
You can’t just hand wave away a contract though....
Unless you own/control the regional you’re trying to mothball.
Very true. 10x easier to “Mothball” a regional you have a “major” stake in and pretty much control. Ie own the leases, ect...Then someone you don’t.

Regardless of Regional or major partner.. if your in the bottom 20% your in for a ruff ride the next 5 years. Furloughed or not...
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Old 07-19-2020 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
You can’t just hand wave away a contract though....
Unless you own/control the regional you’re trying to mothball.
let’s say united wants to kill Air whiskey. They claim a contractual right to cease all flights on 14 days notice and withhold payment based on some breach. It’s tenuous claim but all of a sudden they have zero cash flow. Chapter 7, done.

a contract is only worthwhile if you can fund and survive a lawsuit
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