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Old 07-22-2020 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Freighthotdog
I actually don’t mind the 145 as a passenger. That could be because I fly it, but there’s plenty of leg room in A and B, C is a little crammed but a window seat.
You clearly haven’t flown it for very long. There IS no B.....C is an aisle seat, and D is a window.
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Old 07-22-2020 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
WHY? There’s zero benefit to united as a company to do this. The pilots at UA - great benefit. But as far as expense there’s no beating the regionals yet. No staffing issues now either. No bonus not problem.

By creating better utilization of the 70-76 seat fleet UA can use the block hours the 50 seaters were flying to move more pax without any sort of scope relief. Mesa has some very talented people in scheduling. They can take crap pairings and create highly efficient airframe use. I’m sure others can as well. Some 50 seat filler will remain.
The only value Mesa has ever brought to any company is downward pressure on labor cost.

United Alpa, or any good union always has or creates negotiating capital, they only need to decide what is quid pro quo, and what is a concession, and what is a collective gain.
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Old 07-22-2020 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
WHY? There’s zero benefit to united as a company to do this. The pilots at UA - great benefit. But as far as expense there’s no beating the regionals yet. No staffing issues now either. No bonus not problem.

By creating better utilization of the 70-76 seat fleet UA can use the block hours the 50 seaters were flying to move more pax without any sort of scope relief. Mesa has some very talented people in scheduling. They can take crap pairings and create highly efficient airframe use. I’m sure others can as well. Some 50 seat filler will remain.
That’s his point. United pilots get a jets for jobs type arrangement to throw the furloughs a bone. The trick is finding the leverage to give management something they want without slowing the FFD model elimination plan too much. The alternative is about three thousand United furloughs and nearly 2000 UAX furloughs into a no job environment.

Maybe just holding the line and destroying UAX next April makes the whole paradigm better in a decade but it’s a long time to wait for many of us and the lack of competitiveness hampers United compared to Delta and American.

It is a sticky problem and Mesa being dirt cheap makes no difference if scope block hour limits result in half their fleet being parked.

I should have been a firefighter. I’d be retiring this year.
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Old 07-22-2020 | 07:24 PM
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Word on the street is UA is only saving one 145 flyer. Between XJET and CommutAir, its said to be CommutAir. Cheaper workforce, less overall employees/facilities/leases, and less debt.

Its also said this is just a band-aid solution to comply with scope as more 550s are brought online. SK still adamant on getting rid of all 145s long term.

I wish all XJET guys best of luck and hope y’all land on your feet some where
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Old 07-22-2020 | 08:08 PM
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[QUOTE=point80;3097425]its said to be CommutAir.
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where does it say that?
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Old 07-22-2020 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by point80
Word on the street is UA is only saving one 145 flyer. Between XJET and CommutAir, its said to be CommutAir. Cheaper workforce, less overall employees/facilities/leases, and less debt.

Its also said this is just a band-aid solution to comply with scope as more 550s are brought online. SK still adamant on getting rid of all 145s long term.

I wish all XJET guys best of luck and hope y’all land on your feet some where
Also...by word on the street do you mean, word on the APC forum?
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Old 07-23-2020 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
Also...by word on the street do you mean, word on the APC forum?
email sent out by XJT MEC.
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Old 07-23-2020 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
Also...by word on the street do you mean, word on the APC forum?
It's coming from XJT. They're asking for concessions to be more competitive with C5s labor cost
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Old 07-23-2020 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by point80
Word on the street is........... and less debt.
I get the higher cost due to the Jurassic seniority list. Debt though? These are cash only companies. They have no assets and basically own nothing.
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Old 07-23-2020 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by UnbeatenPath
It's coming from XJT. They're asking for concessions to be more competitive with C5s labor cost
Once concessions start at one Alpa cattier everyone else will be asked to follow suit .

Hell no
BURN IT DOWN BEFORE YOU GIVE UP ONE EFFING DIME .
We made strategic gains in compensation over the last few years and now they want you to take it all back and start over ?? F’ em .
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