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Old 07-25-2020 | 10:09 PM
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It is much less perceptible in the front. All wing mounted engine aircraft will 'fishtail' in turbulence compared to those with aft mounted engines because of thrust vectors. Pangolin was a bit hyperbolic in his statement but the high wing loading of the 170 and even more so the 190 does contribute to a less compliant ride. The 321 has the same issue.
i thought high wing load was good?
maybe I’m wrong. Slept through aerodynamics
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Old 07-25-2020 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tallpilot
It is much less perceptible in the front. All wing mounted engine aircraft will 'fishtail' in turbulence compared to those with aft mounted engines because of thrust vectors. Pangolin was a bit hyperbolic in his statement but the high wing loading of the 170 and even more so the 190 does contribute to a less compliant ride. The 321 has the same issue.


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Old 07-26-2020 | 04:50 AM
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I’ve been flying the 170 for the better part of the decade and have NEVER seen it fishtail in turbulence. Ever.
Sit in the back sometime.
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Old 07-26-2020 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tgec
i thought high wing load was good?
maybe I’m wrong. Slept through aerodynamics
No, you are correct. A higher wing loading rides turbulence better, generally speaking.
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Old 07-26-2020 | 06:16 AM
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Old 07-26-2020 | 06:35 AM
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No idea exactly why, but in the back the ejet truly has an awful ride in turbulence.
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Old 07-26-2020 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by terks43
No idea exactly why, but in the back the ejet truly has an awful ride in turbulence.
Who cares? It’s more comfortable up front!
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Old 07-27-2020 | 12:10 PM
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A few numbers about the August schedule, now that its a little easier to see from UA...

From July into August (comparing two Mondays, JUL 27 and AUG 3), only C5 and YV had a net loss of daily departures (-6 and -2 respectively). EV, G7 and YX had a small net gain (+5, 6 and 8). OO and ZW had the biggest gains, with a net increase of 44 and 38 daily departures respectively. By percent of July's schedule, the only two carriers to experience more than 10% growth were GJ and ZW. The largest loss by percent was C5 with a 9% loss.

The 175 operators' share of the UAX market is about the same as it was in July. OO has the most departures, then YX, then YX last. Similarly, the 700s' departures remain largely the same as July.

The gains between the two Mondays were almost entirely in the 50 seat market (OO's increase operationally was *only* an increase of their 200s). ZW picked up some flying in IAD, adding 10 departures while C5 lost 6. Other than that no real shift in base presence among the carriers. The 550s were the only type of 50 seater to be in EWR.



**These numbers are a comparison of two Mondays, one in July and one in August. They count daily departures, not block hours.
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Old 07-27-2020 | 03:41 PM
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A few numbers about the August schedule, now that its a little easier to see from UA...

From July into August (comparing two Mondays, JUL 27 and AUG 3), only C5 and YV had a net loss of daily departures (-6 and -2 respectively). EV, G7 and YX had a small net gain (+5, 6 and 8). OO and ZW had the biggest gains, with a net increase of 44 and 38 daily departures respectively. By percent of July's schedule, the only two carriers to experience more than 10% growth were GJ and ZW. The largest loss by percent was C5 with a 9% loss.

The 175 operators' share of the UAX market is about the same as it was in July. OO has the most departures, then YX, then YX last. Similarly, the 700s' departures remain largely the same as July.

The gains between the two Mondays were almost entirely in the 50 seat market (OO's increase operationally was *only* an increase of their 200s). ZW picked up some flying in IAD, adding 10 departures while C5 lost 6. Other than that no real shift in base presence among the carriers. The 550s were the only type of 50 seater to be in EWR.



**These numbers are a comparison of two Mondays, one in July and one in August. They count daily departures, not block hours.
Well something doesn’t add up. Looking at pairings it appears there was a large increase August over July for is here at YV both for the 175 and for the 700s. Can you look later in August? Typically the 3rd is part of the prior months flying.
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Old 07-27-2020 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Well something doesn’t add up. Looking at pairings it appears there was a large increase August over July for is here at YV both for the 175 and for the 700s. Can you look later in August? Typically the 3rd is part of the prior months flying.
The 3rd is as far as I can see in this detail for now. I suppose it could be like you say, although there is definitely a meaningful difference for a few of the airlines between the two weeks. Perhaps your airlines has more flying on other days of the week. I am, after all, only comparing one day to another, though it is usually one of the busiest days of the week.

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