Future of United Express
07-21-2020 | 07:30 PM
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Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.
07-22-2020 | 08:13 AM
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[QUOTE=tallpilot;3096785]Correct. Perhaps a grand bargain is possible that maintains competitiveness and protects United jobs. I can’t see how though.
Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.[/QUOTE
More capable from a Perfomance standpoint yes .More comfortable? I don’t know
they both suck , cockpit and cabin . I’ve flown both .
Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.[/QUOTE
More capable from a Perfomance standpoint yes .More comfortable? I don’t know
they both suck , cockpit and cabin . I’ve flown both .
07-22-2020 | 09:26 AM
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They do, compared to the 170 and other 'real cabin' small jets, but not compared to the DHC-8s and Saab 340s they replaced. The stretch CRJs are pretty uncomfortable as well. But if we're talking about 50 seaters I'll take the 145 over the 200 any day, for cabin comfort, performance and the avionics.
Correct. Perhaps a grand bargain is possible that maintains competitiveness and protects United jobs. I can’t see how though.
Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.[/QUOTE
More capable from a Perfomance standpoint yes .More comfortable? I don’t know
they both suck , cockpit and cabin . I’ve flown both .
Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.[/QUOTE
More capable from a Perfomance standpoint yes .More comfortable? I don’t know
they both suck , cockpit and cabin . I’ve flown both .
07-22-2020 | 09:59 AM
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[QUOTE=tallpilot;3097057]
They do, compared to the 170 and other 'real cabin' small jets, but not compared to the DHC-8s and Saab 340s they replaced. The stretch CRJs are pretty uncomfortable as well. But if we're talking about 50 seaters I'll take the 145 over the 200 any day, for cabin comfort, performance and the avionics.
I actually don’t mind the 145 as a passenger. That could be because I fly it, but there’s plenty of leg room in A and B, C is a little crammed but a window seat.
They do, compared to the 170 and other 'real cabin' small jets, but not compared to the DHC-8s and Saab 340s they replaced. The stretch CRJs are pretty uncomfortable as well. But if we're talking about 50 seaters I'll take the 145 over the 200 any day, for cabin comfort, performance and the avionics.
I actually don’t mind the 145 as a passenger. That could be because I fly it, but there’s plenty of leg room in A and B, C is a little crammed but a window seat.
07-22-2020 | 10:18 AM
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[QUOTE=tallpilot;3097057]
They do, compared to the 170 and other 'real cabin' small jets, but not compared to the DHC-8s and Saab 340s they replaced. The stretch CRJs are pretty uncomfortable as well. But if we're talking about 50 seaters I'll take the 145 over the 200 any day, for cabin comfort, performance and the avionics.
I’m admittedly biased but the RIDE on the 170s is horrific. Light chop to a CRJ is moderate turbulence in a 170. I don’t know if it’s the stiff wing or if it’s the short length but it’s hard and fishtails in the bumps. Cabin design though is open and spacious. The newer crj interior with lowered floor and bigger bins is nice though. Ride wise I like the crj over the e170. The crj wing pop gets disconcerting sometimes though.
They do, compared to the 170 and other 'real cabin' small jets, but not compared to the DHC-8s and Saab 340s they replaced. The stretch CRJs are pretty uncomfortable as well. But if we're talking about 50 seaters I'll take the 145 over the 200 any day, for cabin comfort, performance and the avionics.
07-22-2020 | 10:20 AM
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Correct. Perhaps a grand bargain is possible that maintains competitiveness and protects United jobs. I can’t see how though.
Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.
Hard to read anything good in it. Too bad, the XR is more capable and more comfortable than the 200. Seems like a good choice in a low demand environment but other factors are at play.
United ALPA needs to get involved XJT is the most viable option for their furloughs with 175 approval. XJT pilots need to consider what type of seniority bath is acceptable for a possible furloughed United seniority number, vs total cease of operations.
07-22-2020 | 10:30 AM
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XJT certificate still has 175 on it, work a seniority solution or shutter operations preserve the certificate. Displace United pilots to Moxy former XJT certificate, move United owned175s over to it, by cutting a deal with Mesa to operate the Gojet 550s, and furture ones tail for tail.
By creating better utilization of the 70-76 seat fleet UA can use the block hours the 50 seaters were flying to move more pax without any sort of scope relief. Mesa has some very talented people in scheduling. They can take crap pairings and create highly efficient airframe use. I’m sure others can as well. Some 50 seat filler will remain.
07-22-2020 | 10:30 AM
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XJT certificate still has 175 on it, work a seniority solution or shutter operations preserve the certificate. Displace United pilots to Moxy former XJT certificate, move United owned175s over to it, by cutting a deal with Mesa to operate the Gojet 550s, and furture ones tail for tail.
United ALPA needs to get involved XJT is the most viable option for their furloughs with 175 approval. XJT pilots need to consider what type of seniority bath is acceptable for a possible furloughed United seniority number, vs total cease of operations.
United ALPA needs to get involved XJT is the most viable option for their furloughs with 175 approval. XJT pilots need to consider what type of seniority bath is acceptable for a possible furloughed United seniority number, vs total cease of operations.
It’s just reality . Unfortunate , but reality.
07-22-2020 | 10:42 AM
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I’m admittedly biased but the RIDE on the 170s is horrific. Light chop to a CRJ is moderate turbulence in a 170. I don’t know if it’s the stiff wing or if it’s the short length but it’s hard and fishtails in the bumps. Cabin design though is open and spacious. The newer crj interior with lowered floor and bigger bins is nice though. Ride wise I like the crj over the e170. The crj wing pop gets disconcerting sometimes though.
Best way I’ve heard it put is in turbulence the crj vibrates vertically like driving down a gravel road. The ejet on the other hand fishtails back and forth, rather violently might I add. The cabin is nicer on the ejet no doubt about it, but the ride quality on that bird is absolutely brutal.
I’m admittedly biased but the RIDE on the 170s is horrific. Light chop to a CRJ is moderate turbulence in a 170. I don’t know if it’s the stiff wing or if it’s the short length but it’s hard and fishtails in the bumps. Cabin design though is open and spacious. The newer crj interior with lowered floor and bigger bins is nice though. Ride wise I like the crj over the e170. The crj wing pop gets disconcerting sometimes though.
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