05Duramax

You used the word town, to imply municipality, to refer to the city of Seattle. I’m guessing specifically in reference to the constant stories at ad naseum in right wing media about the Seattle City Council, homeless problem or the new favorite boogie man “the chop” to drive your political agenda here. I was referencing the fact that almost none of Boeing is in the city of Seattle, so compare the business climate of Seattle to the surrounding areas is disingenuous. I like on how in your reply you started using the the term “Seattle Area”.

In the end the point being is like so many posts on here it was political when it didn’t need to be. But that’s where we are at anymore.

Joachim

Where do you come up with this from? Businesses have adapted to function with no or minimal travel. Several high profile companies have announced permanent changes to reduce travel costs and increase flexibility. You think adaptation to use of technology and reduced reliance on the travel industry is going to result in increased need for travel?(!)

Downtime

So companies didn’t just realize they could do this when Covid hit. For one out broadband infrastructure in the US is awful compared to a lot of countries. You really won’t be able to live where ever you want. Not traveling sounds great until your client needs help with something and you set up a teleconference and they don’t get what they need. Then your competition comes in and gives them what you need boom account gone. My wife works for a Fortune 500 and they are planning to resume travel ASAP. By the way they are a tech company but they realize the importance of human relationships.

senecacaptain

we will know how much business travel "returns ASAP" and is "needed for human relationships" etc by mid October

the summer leisure period will be over and most schools will be back in physical format.

Downtime

We won’t know until COVID is under control.
1. Even if your company authorizes travel many sites are closed right now

2. There is still a lot no treatment or vaccine so it will be hard for businesses to authorize travel. They are generally gonna follow public health guidelines.

LoneStar32

The difference between the DOD and a vacuum salesman is that in the DOD you would be ordered to accomplish your job this way no matter how ineffective it may be. The vacuum salesman is at the mercy of their potential customers. Hard to pressure a sale when they can just hit "end" any time they want on their zoom browser.

Excargodog

No, now you are not only showing your ignorance, but you are lying, or at the very least quibbling and misrepresenting my comments.

I referred to friends “commuting in Seattle traffic.” You stated that Boeing footprint in Seattle was “almost none.” So not only were you demonstrably wrong, you are now lying rather than manning up and admitting you were wrong. Since you are apparently abysmally ignorant about Seattle, let me give you some help. The three main Boeing facilities which have considerably more than “almost none” footprint in Seattle are the original plant on the Duwamish River at Boeing Field which, yes, is within the city limits of Seattle. The Renton plant - in operation since building B-17s in WWII, is close enough that they have overlapping control zones. The Everett plant - about 20 miles north - was built when the lack room to expand at Renton And BFI precluded further construction there, but with Seattle bounded on the west by Puget Sound and on the East by Lake Washington, I can assure you the Boeing traffic jam at rush “hour” (which is from about 1430 to 1830) incorporates that entire swath.



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Boeing facilities At KPAE, KBFI, KRNT




BOEING FACILITIES AT KPAE


Now I was commenting on two things; working from home and a traffic problem born of two main factors, the geographical location of Seattle in a corridor that limits East-West expansion and the rather large workforce of the principal private employer in the region and in the state.

You “guessing” that I was referring to other factors seems a creature of your own invention, and your repeated statements that “almost none of Boeing is in the city of Seattle” belies the existence of a rather large Boeing facility - essentially everything on KBFI west of the long runway except for one aviation museum.

It seems like it’s you, not me, that have politicized this and it’s certainly you that are factually wrong in this case - and simply not honorable enough to admit your error.

flyfast2u

Dude you are putting in waaaay too much time and effort into this person, but I do like your maps though

senecacaptain

this is why I dont think business travel is coming back anytime soon. however when summer is over, we can pretty much "see" the non leisure activity and get an idea of a any trends back up

Downtime

I don’t think it comes back until there is a vaccine or effective treatment.