This is preciously what happened at Eagle and their flow-through. The Eagle signatories asked what would happen if AA started to hire before any AE pilots were eligible to to flow. AA said don't worry we won't start hiring for at least 24 months. AA started hiring as soon as the ink was dry and hired almost 2000 pilots before anyone at eagle had 18 moths as a jet CA. (the flow requirement) To add insult to injury after guys were eligible to flow AE/AA tried to hold them at eagle saying that it would cause to much detriment to AE's operation. In addition the flow-through stated that each new hire class at AA had to consist of at least 50% AE pilots. Never happened. By the way the AE flow ups received their AA seniority numbers when the took their initial check ride on the jet. So they were stuck, many still, at AE while new people off the street (junior to them) where flying at AA. It all looked great on paper but turned into a goat
****** in its implementation. I hope the NWA agreement works out much better for you.

PS

AMR has owned Eagle since 1984 (maybe 86'). So the AE flow up guys had been working for and contributing to AMR profits (ergo AA profit sharing checks) for over 16 years when this was going down.

 

Well, I know the last guy in the class that started this week is # 47 on the list...12 more starting on July 11th. The company is only paying $23 at 70 hrs a bid during training. I wasn't aware of this but it wouldn't have changed my decision anyway so I am not to upset about it. We are spending about 2.5 weeks in MSP...Montreal is still up in the air, but I hear 30 - 40 days (Hotel Paid). Hope that helps

 

2 weeks to the day. E-mailed. Haven't been home, so perhaps there's a letter sitting there. Class on 08/08/07. My birthday. Yay. Going to have to think this one over, but I'll throw out info. as I obtain it.

 

I certainly agree with your position on this (can't argue facts!). It just seems odd to me that I'm the only one on here who seems to be slightly concerned about this. Thanks for contributing to the discussion, hopefully others will add to it.

 

Trust me, the FLYi/ACA background counts for something. E-mail our former colleagues directly. If you don't have their contact info, go to ipilots.org and sign up. Yes, the interview process and screening occurs in MSP - but they also know what type of corporate culture they're trying to build. The NWA pilots were some of the nicest people I've met in ages. I was treated phenomenally well during my interview and got the impression they were expecting me.

 

I have been asked a couple times about CA positions at CMP so I thought I would just throw it out. CMP will have 59 pilots on property as of July 11th if all show for that class. After this class all future classes are supposedly going to be 6 ppl instead of the 12. These classes will also do a lot more time at home studying the cd-rom about systems (CBT). According to the company, they are only expecting 9 a/c by Dec 31st but still plan to have 110 bodies on property by that point. This means that of those starting on July 11th, two of them will still be F.O.'s in Dec. 55 CA's and 55 F.O.'s . Upgrades from July on will be according to seniority like every other airline. 180 CA's by next Dec. Hope some of that helps. This is the most current info we have right now.

 

Will Compass provide an airline ticket for you to get to the medical examination and training as a new hire, or do you either buy your own ticket or drive?

 

Open up that wallet homeboy! Getting yourself to the medical and your hotel stay during indoc is out of your pocket. What? You think pilots are an asset?

 

Wow...I have never heard of an airline that won't even provide a free standby pass to get to training. Mesa will even do that! This is a sign of how the company is going to treat its employees. Imagine what is going to happen after you start training and you are committed under your training agreement. I'm glad I see this now before going over there...I think we may have a new bottom feeder here.

 

Well, I would have to call foul on that. I strongly disagree with not positive spacing you to training, but so far most either live in MSP or like myself chose to drive my car so I would have it during training. Either way I wouldn't have used the pass even if they offered.
Since I spent about 1.5 years under Mesa's contract while working for Air Midwest, I can vouch for the difference so far. Granted I am not out of training yet and we are not even done with proving runs. When I started training for Air Midwest, we went to class 6 days a week and I didn't stay at the Marriot Residence Inn. They also made a point to say if we absolutely needed to go home during training that they would find a way to work it out for us. I know a guy at Air Midwest that was denied going to his own dad's funeral because they didn't have coverage...I don't even have words for that.
I would say that the training is quite a bit more advanced as well. With the IPT's instead of a cardboard cockpit (CPT). The people have been extremely pleasant to work with so far as well.
I know of course that it is an airline though, which by default means that is inherantly evil so I know I will get it sooner or later.