threegreen

Maybe i am from a big name school with a jet course

blastboy

Join the club.



ThreeGreen - Do what feels right for you. Forget about what everyone else thinks, think about what you want and go get it. What's the simplest and the fastest way for you to reach your ultimate goal? That's something only you can decide on. If you don't go for something you think you should, the only person you're screwing is yourself. Go for it!


Garritto - Do you have something on ThreeGreen other than total flight time that proves he can't get through the training or lacks any flying skills thereof? Unless you've flown with him, you can't use just 400TT to judge ones' flying abilities. If he passes/passed the training, he deserves equal respect.

Slice

I think that with your hours you should worry about getting an interview(and be grateful), getting a job offer(and be grateful), and passing training before worrying where you're gonna go next. This is what kills me about low timers these days. Many of you guys come across as if getting a job is an entitlement. It's arrogant to be looking for a better regional job before being hired or flying the line at your FIRST! WTF?

threegreen

take it easy slice. just because you did not have some opportunities as younger guys do now, does not mean you can hate. i am just trying to look at the situation being positive vs having to CFI for 2 years.

blastboy

Holy hell, Slice! Relax there. So because the regionals are hiring guys with 250TT, low timers all of a sudden become arrogant in the eyes of high timers. And because he's think about his future he's arrogant? So my future plans to work at AA in MIA flying the A300 is being arrogant? I didn't detect even a hint of arrogance or feeling of entitlement from ThreeGreens' posts. You don't even have to worry about flying with a lower timer ever in your life, so what are you complaining about? Brown doesn't hire low timers last I checked. Enjoy your time at Brown and stop worrying about the low timers. Everything will be just fine.

plasticpi

Yes! No one should ever think beyond next week! What is he thinking...

de727ups

I'm with Slice. It's sad that the standards to be a jet F/O are so low now. Nobody with 250 hours has the experience to bring the necessary level of competence to the right seat. Yeah, they get through ground school and the sim, maybe, but they will be an unnecessary burden on their Capts for the first two or three hundred hours.

It's sad to see how low the bar has gone. It's easier to lower the bar than raise pay, which would raise standards, which would bring a more well rounded new F/O to the shiny jet.

blastboy

I agree with most of your points. But does a 1000hr CFI (single and ME piston) have more competence in a JET than the 250hr pilot. Both have ZERO experience in a jet. Either way, any first time regional new hire is going to be a challenge. I wouldn't go so far to say they would be a burden; If the captain feels that way, maybe he shouldn't be flying with IOE FOs. It takes most FOs about 50 - 100hrs to feel comfortable in the right seat of an RJ. But that's a very subjective thing as one pilot may feel more comfortable and confident than the next.

Where are you going to find that many well rounded FOs to fill those seats? There's simply not enough of them. The airlines dug a hole for themselves by making their companies look so unattractive to potential employees; now very few want to become a pilot because of this.

De727, I am with you all the way on most of your points about todays industry. Even though I didn't get to experience it first hand, I have a passion for the way things WERE done in the good old days. But the fact of the matter is things have changed. Nobody has to except it or like it but that's just the way it is now. Things may, and probably will change to bring the standards back up to par.

rickair7777

50-100 hours if you came from another regional flying the exact same airplane maybe...that's how long it takes to get the new procedures down.

Someone new to the airplane needs at LEAST 500, maybe more depending.

Also it's not just getting used to the airplane...you need to see the full weather spectrum, hot and high summer performance issues, blizzards, deicing, and icy runways in the winter.

kalyx522

yeah I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that... blastboy, I dunno where you heard that... but a person's gotta be really arrogant or inexperienced to say they feel comfortable in their first 121 turbine a/c in 50-100 hrs!!! Everyone I've spoken to quotes 400-500 hr-ish. When I jumpseated on others carriers and the more experienced pilots told me, "it will take you about 5 months to get comfortable".. I was thinking like yeah right it won't take me that long. And that's the newbie mentality. If you talk to fresh newbies they might say "yeah I'm comfy" but talk to them again in a few months and they will tell you that they're just now starting to get comfy and can't believe how clueless they had been. UNLESS they are so deluded with self confidence in which case they will never admit that or even realize it.
and as far as 250 hr guys burdening capts, I don't think DE727 was referring to IOE capts but regular capts. Just cuz you got signed off on IOE doesn't mean you now have the skills of a full-fledged experienced FO... most people will still continue to make mistakes albeit lesser ones, and any capt you fly with will still have to watch over you. the 20-50 hrs you get on IOE is just the beginning!