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Old 09-04-2010 | 06:57 PM
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Can anyone tell me if someone from Regional Elite gets to board before us if its a WO operated flight (OH, XJ, CP)? Do they travel S3 like us?
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Old 09-04-2010 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FloridaGator


There are about 1100 pilots flying the line. This number will be reduced to 500 pilots (again... approximate). This means that 600 pilots are going to be asked to vote yes to a pay cut for the 7 to 18 months that they remain employees. Why would these people do this? They are losing their jobs anyway.

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FloridaGator,

I am not qualified as an evil airline executive, so I might be out to lunch here, but I think the theory goes something like this: Management announces these draconian personnel cuts and then comes back and says something like "Gee if you guys would just take a 20% pay-cut we might be able to come up with a plan B which would allow us to minimize the furloughs."

Don't buy it - management will do whatever they want anyway.

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Old 09-04-2010 | 08:19 PM
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OK, so twelve years worth of pilots are getting flushed at Comair and Tim "The Milkman" Martins has a job at Commutair.

This is just a bad dream.
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Old 09-04-2010 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
OK, so twelve years worth of pilots are getting flushed at Comair and Tim "The Milkman" Martins has a job at Commutair.

This is just a bad dream.
I haven't seen it yet... so I don't know how far off I am but... this could totally be the plot line for Inception 2.
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Old 09-04-2010 | 08:47 PM
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Tired of combing through the threads and I'm sure folks have the numbers, what does that make the most junior hire date and the most junior CA hire date at Comair after 2012? If it's imbedded somewhere here, oh well.
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Old 09-04-2010 | 08:49 PM
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I think I saw Jr. FO 99hire
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Old 09-05-2010 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoilers
Can anyone tell me if someone from Regional Elite gets to board before us if its a WO operated flight (OH, XJ, CP)? Do they travel S3 like us?
Just spoke with someone from regional elite. They have our old priority of S3 with six S2's. So yes.....they board before us.

On a brighter note you won't have to worry about that for long.
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Old 09-05-2010 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by piperpilot12w
Exactly what I was thinking. Only mention the good things and ignore the bad. How can the pending decimation of one of their groups not get any press? Maybe because DAL is more important to them anyway. Sweep it under the rug and no one will notice.
They're good at this. Tim Martins ring any bells???
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Old 09-05-2010 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by irrelevant
The only way they're going to make pilot labor costs "competitive", assuming they aren't, is by offering a serious buyout package to senior professionals...not the silly "one week of pay for every year of service" deal they came up with a couple of years ago.

Otherwise every pilot at the end of the two year draw down will be at top pay scale wage. Seems like a great way to deal with "block hours costs 20% higher than the competition".

No concessions. The company hasn't been worth working for for some time now.
i agree....if they want to get rid of the senior people, then they need to come up with a serious package.....
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Old 09-05-2010 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
I'm just amazed that anyone can operate a CRJ for $730! The engine maintenance on this aircraft is around $500-600 an hour. So that means you split $130-230 an hour between the three crew members, the ramp crew that works the plane, and everything else needed to operate a flight? Then think of the fuel costs...which I guess is picked up by D.
first yes Delta does pay for PNCL fuel...but I am sure that cost is accounted for since it is a direct cost for daddy D. A few things that are not really taken in perspective is that the place PNCL chooses to operate such as Memphis is very cheap in terms of labor...also Detroit. So if you put that in the equation then you get closer to why PNCL is cheap.

Although pilot wages are a factor...in terms of business...it's a drop in the bucket. Everyone looks at the bottom of our payscale and thinks we all get paid 20/hr but our most junior FO must be on 3 year pay now. I don't know the facts on that but suspect I am really close...

Anyhow...just a thought for people trying to consider cost per airline...

Chao!!!
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