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Old 09-01-2010 | 06:47 PM
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Another negotiating ploy. Take pay cuts and you might save your job. You know, I was just out on the ramp admiring all of the lovely E175s we got after the last concessions.
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Old 09-02-2010 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboDVR42
Any truth to the airline going down to only 44 acs?

Comair to shrink fleet, staffing - Business Courier of Cincinnati
truth? ya its pretty much set in stone based on todays company letter. Will it actually go down the way its described.......TBD. But i would say that most are believing that yes, that is what is going to happen.
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Old 09-02-2010 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cessna157
Just wanted to let you know that I heard one of our fabulous captains say "I'm in the top 50, so this doesn't mean much to me at all" and then he smirked
He's delusional if he thinks he is not at risk.
With the sale of Compass and Mesaba and now this, Delta management is obviously getting out of the RJ business any way they can. No buyers for Comair as currently structured, so they break it down. Yesterday's announcement may even have been at the request of SkyWest or Pinnacle. The deal may already be done. What will happen to those last 44 jets at Comair is anybody's guess.

Sold all at once? Sold a few at a time? Will crews go with them?
Will the Comair brand survive? Who knows?
What does your contract's fragmentation language look like?
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Old 09-02-2010 | 04:52 AM
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This isn't really a silver lining but look at it this way. We've been hearing rumors for months that Delta was giving away your 700s and 900s and leaving you as a slowly disappearing 50 seat airline. It seems the opposite happened.

They could have just pulled the plug, but instead they are making one last attempt to make the company marketable. Yes it sucks that the company is getting cut in half, and lots of people are losing jobs, but at least the company has a chance to survive this way.
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Old 09-02-2010 | 05:37 AM
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The only way they're going to make pilot labor costs "competitive", assuming they aren't, is by offering a serious buyout package to senior professionals...not the silly "one week of pay for every year of service" deal they came up with a couple of years ago.

Otherwise every pilot at the end of the two year draw down will be at top pay scale wage. Seems like a great way to deal with "block hours costs 20% higher than the competition".

No concessions. The company hasn't been worth working for for some time now.
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Old 09-02-2010 | 05:43 AM
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The only way they're going to make pilot labor costs "competitive", assuming they aren't, is by offering a serious buyout package to senior professionals...not the silly "one week of pay for every year of service" deal they came up with a couple of years ago.

Otherwise every pilot at the end of the two year draw down will be at top pay scale wage. Seems like a great way to deal with "block hours costs 20% higher than the competition".

No concessions. The company hasn't been worth working for for some time now.
The concessions angle is total bs. They could take a 50% pay cut and not make a dent in their cost structure. The problem is longevity and overhead. I hope they take no pay cuts. We don't need a repeat of the E175 thing.
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Old 09-02-2010 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
I hope they take no pay cuts. We don't need a repeat of the E175 thing.
You're right. It would be great for the Comair guys to fall on the sword AGAIN to improve this profession for all regional pilots.

Tell me again how the other regionals are going to help the 900 furloughed Comair pilots?
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Old 09-02-2010 | 06:47 AM
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It's weird that your mgmt say that your crew costs are the highest compared to other regionals. We get the same crap at Horizon. Now notice that both of our fleets are bgin choppped. Best of luck guys/gals.
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Old 09-02-2010 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
You're right. It would be great for the Comair guys to fall on the sword AGAIN to improve this profession for all regional pilots.
Are you SERIOUS? SERIOUSLY?!!!

Fell on your sword? REALLY? Were you even there? The offer that ended the strike was only slightly better than the last offer before the strike. Then you guys turned around and gave it all back during the ASA negotiations because Butthead Buttrell dangled some E175s in your faces, which put huge downward pressure on OUR negotiations! So don't lecture me about improving the profession!

Originally Posted by Boomer
Tell me again how the other regionals are going to help the 900 furloughed Comair pilots?
We will offer you preferential hiring. And if we get your airplanes, we may even offer you seniority on a ratio basis. Straight from a current ASA ALPA rep. You're welcome.
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Old 09-02-2010 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
You're right. It would be great for the Comair guys to fall on the sword AGAIN to improve this profession for all regional pilots.

Tell me again how the other regionals are going to help the 900 furloughed Comair pilots?
Unfortunately, that's exactly what your management is counting on -- and there are not many good answers to that riddle.
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