Comair updates?
03-22-2008 | 06:16 AM
#2481
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From: Pilot
I have a logical solution to this seniority based call out and the problems it causes at comair. If they know about the trip atleast 9-12hrs before report time it is immediately assigned to a long call 2 or long call 1 bypassing less senior pilots on short call. If the trip is know less than 9 hours before call out it is assigned to a short call. A long call pilot will also never be allowed to sit ready reserve. I think we can all agree that is a fair way to process the reserve and if we give the company some ability to use reserves efficiently scenarios like the 1 mentioned above wouldn't happen.
Bid to fly would be honored on on the rundown immediately after the SAW closes so L1 and L2 would not be the only ones receiving trips after the saw initially closes. After the initial rundown bid to fly will only be honored within your respective group.(Long call or short call)
Bid to fly would be honored on on the rundown immediately after the SAW closes so L1 and L2 would not be the only ones receiving trips after the saw initially closes. After the initial rundown bid to fly will only be honored within your respective group.(Long call or short call)
03-22-2008 | 06:23 AM
#2482
I have shiny jet syndrome
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From: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
That is so stupid! Most of the flights are out by 9 p.m. anyway. Unless they give you a ferry, etc.
Also, I don't understand why you guys are accepting these ready reserves. From reading the contract and talking to other pilots/ALPA reps., L2 window is 0700-0900 & 1700-1900. If they want you to sit a 2100-2400 ready, they need to change your window to A7, otherwise it is an illegal assignement. Again, I'm not doing anymore readies outside of my reserve window. I'm surprised this hasn't come up earlier and ALPA hasn't done anything about this, even though they know about it.
Again, from the contract...
b. A Ready Reserve period will not be scheduled to exceed six (6) hours and will be scheduled within the fourteen (14) hour reserve period.
d. A pilot on LC1 or LC2 will be subject to the same rules as a SC reserve pilot except as follows:
(1) An assignment awarded to a LC1 reserve pilot will not have a report requirement
earlier than nine (9) hours from the time the LC1 reserve pilot is notified of the
assignment. This nine (9) hour period will be utilized as a required rest period prior
to a LC1 reserve pilot reporting for duty.
(2) Between the hours of 1400 and 1600 hours the day before a single, or group of,
reserve days, a LC1 reserve pilot will contact the Company, one time, for an
assignment.
(3) If given an assignment in accordance with paragraph (2), above, the LC1 reserve
pilot will be considered on rest until the report time of the assignment.
(4) A LC1 reserve pilot will be available for assignment by the Company in the LC1
reserve window of 0500 and 1500 hours on each day of LC1 except when on
required rest. If the LC1 reserve pilot is on required rest, when the rest period is
complete, the LC1 reserve pilot will be available for any remaining LC1 window on
that day.
(5) After completing the reserve window at 1500 hours a LC1 pilot without an
assignment will be released from responsibility to the Company until the next LC1
window.
Also, I don't understand why you guys are accepting these ready reserves. From reading the contract and talking to other pilots/ALPA reps., L2 window is 0700-0900 & 1700-1900. If they want you to sit a 2100-2400 ready, they need to change your window to A7, otherwise it is an illegal assignement. Again, I'm not doing anymore readies outside of my reserve window. I'm surprised this hasn't come up earlier and ALPA hasn't done anything about this, even though they know about it.
Again, from the contract...
b. A Ready Reserve period will not be scheduled to exceed six (6) hours and will be scheduled within the fourteen (14) hour reserve period.
d. A pilot on LC1 or LC2 will be subject to the same rules as a SC reserve pilot except as follows:
(1) An assignment awarded to a LC1 reserve pilot will not have a report requirement
earlier than nine (9) hours from the time the LC1 reserve pilot is notified of the
assignment. This nine (9) hour period will be utilized as a required rest period prior
to a LC1 reserve pilot reporting for duty.
(2) Between the hours of 1400 and 1600 hours the day before a single, or group of,
reserve days, a LC1 reserve pilot will contact the Company, one time, for an
assignment.
(3) If given an assignment in accordance with paragraph (2), above, the LC1 reserve
pilot will be considered on rest until the report time of the assignment.
(4) A LC1 reserve pilot will be available for assignment by the Company in the LC1
reserve window of 0500 and 1500 hours on each day of LC1 except when on
required rest. If the LC1 reserve pilot is on required rest, when the rest period is
complete, the LC1 reserve pilot will be available for any remaining LC1 window on
that day.
(5) After completing the reserve window at 1500 hours a LC1 pilot without an
assignment will be released from responsibility to the Company until the next LC1
window.
Know your contract inside and out. We still have one of the best regional contracts around when it comes to work rules. We pilots are the first line of defense of our contract. You can't expect a new scheduler to know what they can and can't do to you; and you can't expect that management will adhere to it. They will bend, break and otherwise go around the contract to keep the operation running "efficiently". If it is against the contract, tell the scheduler. If they disagree, ask to talk to a chief pilot. If they demand that you fly it (which is rare, because they are now sticking their necks out), accept the assignment under protest and call a union rep immediately. 99.9% of the time, they can get you out of it. If you still end up flying it, file a grievance. The only way to stop contract violations is to not allow them to happen to begin with. If you let them get away with it once, they will continue to do it and then start to violate other areas of the contract.
03-22-2008 | 06:33 AM
#2483
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From: Some Hotel
Also, if your scheduler gives you crap and you know you are right, quote the exact page and paragraph from the contract, most of the time they'll change it, if not ask for a Chief. Always works for me.
Spread the word about the ready reserves. It makes me sick to see guys sit ready at 3 a.m. when their window says L1.
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03-22-2008 | 06:39 AM
#2484
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From: Popsicle Logic
Thank God! Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one around here that seems to know my contract.
Know your contract inside and out. We still have one of the best regional contracts around when it comes to work rules. We pilots are the first line of defense of our contract. You can't expect a new scheduler to know what they can and can't do to you; and you can't expect that management will adhere to it. They will bend, break and otherwise go around the contract to keep the operation running "efficiently". If it is against the contract, tell the scheduler. If they disagree, ask to talk to a chief pilot. If they demand that you fly it (which is rare, because they are now sticking their necks out), accept the assignment under protest and call a union rep immediately. 99.9% of the time, they can get you out of it. If you still end up flying it, file a grievance. The only way to stop contract violations is to not allow them to happen to begin with. If you let them get away with it once, they will continue to do it and then start to violate other areas of the contract.
Know your contract inside and out. We still have one of the best regional contracts around when it comes to work rules. We pilots are the first line of defense of our contract. You can't expect a new scheduler to know what they can and can't do to you; and you can't expect that management will adhere to it. They will bend, break and otherwise go around the contract to keep the operation running "efficiently". If it is against the contract, tell the scheduler. If they disagree, ask to talk to a chief pilot. If they demand that you fly it (which is rare, because they are now sticking their necks out), accept the assignment under protest and call a union rep immediately. 99.9% of the time, they can get you out of it. If you still end up flying it, file a grievance. The only way to stop contract violations is to not allow them to happen to begin with. If you let them get away with it once, they will continue to do it and then start to violate other areas of the contract.
At the same time though, knowing your contract is like knowing the FARs. Sometimes you don't really "know" it until you live it. Thats why I like to hear people ask questions about the contract. Or better yet, when people have an experience with a section of the contract and share it with the rest of us.
On the ALPA website there used to be a weekly or monthly example of some area of the contract based on (I assume) an actual occurrence. It was great information for new pilots as well as a refresher for seasoned veterans. Anone know what happened to that?
03-22-2008 | 06:47 AM
#2485
I have shiny jet syndrome
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From: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
It is cumbersome to carry with everything else, but I carry my contract with me on trips in my flight kit. If something happens mid trip that I may need to reference the contract on, I have it right there.
Additionally, I always hear pilots talk about holding the company to the contract "unless it benefits you otherwise". Meaning, if breaking the contract would be in the pilot's favor or best interest, then go ahead and break it. This, in my opinion, is also unacceptable. We pilots should be responsible for adhering to the contract as much as the company should. If we start breaking it, but then gripe when the company breaks it, doesn't that make us hypocrites?
There should be no double standard.
Additionally, I always hear pilots talk about holding the company to the contract "unless it benefits you otherwise". Meaning, if breaking the contract would be in the pilot's favor or best interest, then go ahead and break it. This, in my opinion, is also unacceptable. We pilots should be responsible for adhering to the contract as much as the company should. If we start breaking it, but then gripe when the company breaks it, doesn't that make us hypocrites?
There should be no double standard.
03-22-2008 | 07:05 AM
#2486
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From: A320 FO
It is cumbersome to carry with everything else, but I carry my contract with me on trips in my flight kit. If something happens mid trip that I may need to reference the contract on, I have it right there.
Additionally, I always hear pilots talk about holding the company to the contract "unless it benefits you otherwise". Meaning, if breaking the contract would be in the pilot's favor or best interest, then go ahead and break it. This, in my opinion, is also unacceptable. We pilots should be responsible for adhering to the contract as much as the company should. If we start breaking it, but then gripe when the company breaks it, doesn't that make us hypocrites?
There should be no double standard.
Additionally, I always hear pilots talk about holding the company to the contract "unless it benefits you otherwise". Meaning, if breaking the contract would be in the pilot's favor or best interest, then go ahead and break it. This, in my opinion, is also unacceptable. We pilots should be responsible for adhering to the contract as much as the company should. If we start breaking it, but then gripe when the company breaks it, doesn't that make us hypocrites?
There should be no double standard.
03-22-2008 | 07:11 AM
#2487
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ALPA is currently looking into filing a group grievance about the ready reserve issue. You can, and ALPA is requesting, that if you arent on probation that you RESPECTFULLY refuse the assignment and have a chief pilot order you to do it and then do the assignment. That way there is documentation that the contract has been violated if they chose to file a grievance.
03-22-2008 | 07:17 AM
#2488
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From: Some Hotel
I'd call scheduling right now and tell them to take it off! I doubt they will call you out anyway...
03-22-2008 | 07:58 AM
#2489
I have shiny jet syndrome
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From: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
I vowed to never take my laptop with me again, and I have not done so yet. Way too much personal info on there that would be of great value to an identity thief. Tax returns, SSNs, etc... I manage just fine in the hotel business centers.
03-22-2008 | 08:28 AM
#2490
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From: Some Hotel
Just another day at Comedy Air...
I had this out and back on my line for quite some time now. I decide to check the DL web site to see which gate the flight is going to be going out of. To my surprise the flight does not operate on a Saturday, as a matter of fact there are no Comair flights going to this destination on a Saturday. So, I check the DL schedule and TravelNet to just to make sure, and they are showing the same thing. I decide to call dispatch to see what the hell is going on. Yep! That flight ain't operating on Saturdays. I call scheduling and explain to them the situation and if they have any questions to call dispatch. They stick me on hold for 20 minutes, while I'm singing along to the song "There She Goes". Don't know why it took that long. The flight is not operating on Saturdays! Period. She comes back and tell's me I'm right the flight is not going and I am back in my reserve window. I am glad I checked, I saved myself, the CA and FA a trip to the airport, where we would have stood around like a bunch of idiots looking for an airplane and gate.
I had this out and back on my line for quite some time now. I decide to check the DL web site to see which gate the flight is going to be going out of. To my surprise the flight does not operate on a Saturday, as a matter of fact there are no Comair flights going to this destination on a Saturday. So, I check the DL schedule and TravelNet to just to make sure, and they are showing the same thing. I decide to call dispatch to see what the hell is going on. Yep! That flight ain't operating on Saturdays. I call scheduling and explain to them the situation and if they have any questions to call dispatch. They stick me on hold for 20 minutes, while I'm singing along to the song "There She Goes". Don't know why it took that long. The flight is not operating on Saturdays! Period. She comes back and tell's me I'm right the flight is not going and I am back in my reserve window. I am glad I checked, I saved myself, the CA and FA a trip to the airport, where we would have stood around like a bunch of idiots looking for an airplane and gate.
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