I appreciate your respectful clarification.

I just don't understand what you're saying about seniority being related to complaining? Anyone who has worked for Comair for more than a couple of years has every right to ask *** is going on, after having multiple concessionary working agreements forced upon them in order to "ensure the future success of the company". One doesn't have to have been at Comair for twenty years to have something to be, let me understate this, disappointed in.

While I've heard senior pilots say they wouldn't go to JFK, I never took it as complaining solely due to their position on the seniority list. Even if it were, these pilots have contributed far, far longer than you and I together have to build the company and working agreement we have today. Why should they be criticized for their lack of desire to live in a crashpad with twenty other dudes just so they can fly airplanes? They have worked a long time to get beyond that stage in life.

What exactly does seniority have with that anyway? If today I were a three year Comair pilot I'd be *****ing about having to go to JFK...it's a 5hithole. Some of us enjoy it. Fair enough...I don't criticize them for that...though I wonder what I've missed regarding the appeal of that place. I could have upgraded into that domicile three years ago, but quite frankly, it's not worth the extra $20k/yr. I certainly don't mind flying in and out of there...it's usually quite entertaining watching the incompetence. I get that now at CVG after they've closed concourse C. Quite honestly, I've never looked at a DSL and thought to myself "Oh no, I have to go there again."

We have pilots on furlough. In case no one has noticed, the economy is crap at present. It is not the senior pilot's fault things fell apart as these pilots were graduating school with $100k + in student loan debt. Personally, I've been curious about the decision to invest that kind of money in a career with as bleak an outlook as this one, but I've mostly written that off as having had the benefit of having a front row seat as things have fallen apart over the last five years.

Some of us aren't there yet, but there will come a day when our homes are nicer than a hotel room, our wife is more attractive and pleasant than whichever Comair Flight Attendant we're currently paired with, and maybe we'll even realize we can do better financially by investing our time on things other than flying airplanes for peanuts.

Nothing in this industry entitles me or any of us to anything. That's why I work to make Comair's future survival irrelevant to my personal future.

The most junior pilot on the street complains as loudly as the most senior pilot who doesn't want to be based in Kennedy. What is the connection to seniority? All at Comair have been failed by Atlanta and local leadership. There is no reason to trivialize anyone's concerns about the future...regardless of their position on the seniority list.

Feel free to disagree.

 

Imagine if GM announced tomorrow:

"We're pulling out of Detroit and moving everything to Queens. You can quit, or come with us. We'll provide the moving truck and give you two days off to get your family settled in."

I bet you would have more than "grumbling" from the UAW guys who have made their lives in Michigan for the last 30 years.

To add insult to injury: "...And we'll be donating our abandoned Detroit assembly plants, offices, and facilities to Ford and Chrysler so they can stay in business. Have a nice day."

That's DCI sending all the Pinnacle, Chitaqwa, SKW, ASA, and Freedom crews into CVG to cover Comair's departure.

 

Well put boomer

 

Chalk me up as a tough guy then. My wife has taken way too much crap from me/Comair/Delta with paycuts, downgrades, years on reserve, broken promises, furloughs, hopes dashed on the rocks, more paycuts, on reserve again, etc. for the last 6 years.

It's bad enough we need to fly out of CVG on Pinnacle or Freedom to visit our families. You think I've got the guts to tell her Comair is sending me to JFK for 3 weeks a month? Not in this lifetime junior!

 

Comair's departures???? You do realize they are delta's right? WE ARE CONTRACT WORKERS!!! The sooner we all learn that the better.

 

I think he meant Comair's departure from CVG... or existence.

 

you right my bad. Statement still stands though. They can move us where ever they want when ever they want. It suxs!

 

Thanks, Tristar.

I didn't say Comair's departures. I said Comair's departure.

As in "Comair's departure" from CVG. Delta has sent them into CVG to cover Comair pulling out of CVG.

Otherwise I would have said "Comair's flying". Or, more accurately, "Delta's CVG flying that Comair has been doing for the last 24 years."

 

No problem. And yes, they didn't keep to out pre-bankruptcy contract and they're not keeping to our new one, either.

 

As the previous poster said, if a company moves its operation to another state, then you have a decision to make. You either move with it, commute or quit. I am not disagreeing with that, however like him I didn't see what seniority has to do with it other than a junior guy wanting to take a stab at a senior guy. That junior guy may be tired of hearing a senior guy talk about not moving to Kennedy while that senior guy is probably very tired of that junior guy complaining about everything in his world. From the looks of some of the posts on here, I am sure these folks bring their gripes right to work with them.

And yes, GM could do just that. Look at Boeing, didn't they do something very similar with a large part of it's operation.

We all have our gripes and it's understandable. The ability to control them though is another thing. Andy, if you are tired of hearing these senior guys talk about how they aren't moving to JFK, then call them out. Interrupt them in conversation and tell them that they have no grounds to feel the way that they do and that frankly you just don't want to hear them anymore. Hope you enjoy the rest of your trip!