Did this happen prior to the official merge date?

This may be wishful thinking, but I am still entertaining a theory that Delta and Northwest may have tried to get a certain number of airframes over to Pinnacle/Mesaba prior to the merger taking effect. I don't know enough about the specifics of the contractual obligations to know if this could make sense. What do you guys think?

 

Happened yesterday (or was announced yesterday.) The merger closed a week or so ago. I'm part of the new 120. Great.

 

Sorry to hear that you are getting furloughed.

The timing seems suspicious to me. If it was announced yesterday, it might have been officially decided just prior to the merger. Bornhorst had to know how it would look from the OH perspective.

 

Of course, it may be possible that Bornhorst hates the OH pilots. He was there during the BK and some of the rhetoric did get kinda ugly at times. I think he only ever went in the OPS Center one time and I don't think he enjoyed that.

 

What I don't understand here is the union says they will not accept the flex line value as it will not provide any greater flexibility or QOL to the pilots, and it will ONLY save 50 or so jobs.
2 questions:
1) What exactly is the magic number of jobs a lower value will will save? 64? 150? 300?

2) Wouldn't this drastically improve the lifestyle of said 50 pilots?

The union always said they are pilots fighting for pilots. But apparently not. While we're all on furlough, all of the other pilots will be getting raises due to the higher line value.

 

Um no, they won't be getting raises. It will be the same value as always. The company just won't have the FLEXibility to lower it as much as 76 as they have since 2005

 

I can assure you that we aren't getting raises. Line values will go back to where they were, so that's not a raise, and most of us will be going back on reserve after 5 and 6 years so that's definitely a pay cut. I will most likely end up going from a nice line in the 70 to reserve in the 50. That's a paycut. So is going from Captain in the 50 to FO in the 50, or 70. I know it sucks for you guys, but you aren't the only ones getting the shaft. It just so happens that you are the front line of the stampede.

 

I guess I misspoke. I know it isn't a raise. But a higher line value equates to greater income. I understand that there will be other changes aside from this, but I'm just discussing this one variable.

I just find it ironic that the union drew a line somewhere that says 50 jobs isn't enough to continue the lower line value.

And no, if the lower line value saves 50 jobs, it will not help me one bit.

Just seems that both sides aren't very good at barganing. The union brought something to the table. And yes, it seems to be a pretty good deal with lots of options. Then the company responds with a counter offer that stipulates the continued lower line value. Then both sides leave the table. One would think there should be a continued barganing practice. Not "I want this and nothing else" and "We'll also want this" and neither side is willing to bend.

Man goes in to buy a car. Dealer offers a price. Man says I'll pay that, but I want 10 years warranty. Dealer says no. In any normal situation, the process should continue from that point.

Wasn't there a Monty Python sketch like this once?

 

No paycuts! Be it a reduced line value or lower payrates...that is the line being drawn.

 

Viva la revulacion'!!!