Comair updates?
11-06-2008, 01:17 PM
#9601
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,197
What I don't understand here is the union says they will not accept the flex line value as it will not provide any greater flexibility or QOL to the pilots, and it will ONLY save 50 or so jobs.
2 questions:
1) What exactly is the magic number of jobs a lower value will will save? 64? 150? 300?
2) Wouldn't this drastically improve the lifestyle of said 50 pilots?
The union always said they are pilots fighting for pilots. But apparently not. While we're all on furlough, all of the other pilots will be getting raises due to the higher line value.
2 questions:
1) What exactly is the magic number of jobs a lower value will will save? 64? 150? 300?
2) Wouldn't this drastically improve the lifestyle of said 50 pilots?
The union always said they are pilots fighting for pilots. But apparently not. While we're all on furlough, all of the other pilots will be getting raises due to the higher line value.
11-06-2008, 01:27 PM
#9602
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: Aeroplanes
Posts: 1,163
I guess I misspoke. I know it isn't a raise. But a higher line value equates to greater income. I understand that there will be other changes aside from this, but I'm just discussing this one variable.
I just find it ironic that the union drew a line somewhere that says 50 jobs isn't enough to continue the lower line value.
And no, if the lower line value saves 50 jobs, it will not help me one bit.
Just seems that both sides aren't very good at barganing. The union brought something to the table. And yes, it seems to be a pretty good deal with lots of options. Then the company responds with a counter offer that stipulates the continued lower line value. Then both sides leave the table. One would think there should be a continued barganing practice. Not "I want this and nothing else" and "We'll also want this" and neither side is willing to bend.
Man goes in to buy a car. Dealer offers a price. Man says I'll pay that, but I want 10 years warranty. Dealer says no. In any normal situation, the process should continue from that point.
Wasn't there a Monty Python sketch like this once?
I just find it ironic that the union drew a line somewhere that says 50 jobs isn't enough to continue the lower line value.
And no, if the lower line value saves 50 jobs, it will not help me one bit.
Just seems that both sides aren't very good at barganing. The union brought something to the table. And yes, it seems to be a pretty good deal with lots of options. Then the company responds with a counter offer that stipulates the continued lower line value. Then both sides leave the table. One would think there should be a continued barganing practice. Not "I want this and nothing else" and "We'll also want this" and neither side is willing to bend.
Man goes in to buy a car. Dealer offers a price. Man says I'll pay that, but I want 10 years warranty. Dealer says no. In any normal situation, the process should continue from that point.
Wasn't there a Monty Python sketch like this once?
Last edited by cessna157; 11-06-2008 at 01:40 PM.
11-06-2008, 01:43 PM
#9603
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: FO
Posts: 3,033
I guess I misspoke. I know it isn't a raise. But a higher line value equates to greater income. I understand that there will be other changes aside from this, but I'm just discussing this one variable.
I just find it ironic that the union drew a line somewhere that says 50 jobs isn't enough to continue the lower line value.
And no, if the lower line value saves 50 jobs, it will not help me one bit.
Just seems that both sides aren't very good at barganing. The union brought something to the table. And yes, it seems to be a pretty good deal with lots of options. Then the company responds with a counter offer that stipulates the continued lower line value. Then both sides leave the table. One would think there should be a continued barganing practice. Not "I want this and nothing else" and "We'll also want this" and neither side is willing to bend.
Man goes in to buy a car. Dealer offers a price. Man says I'll pay that, but I want 10 years warranty. Dealer says no. In any normal situation, the process should continue from that point.
Wasn't there a Monty Python sketch like this once?
I just find it ironic that the union drew a line somewhere that says 50 jobs isn't enough to continue the lower line value.
And no, if the lower line value saves 50 jobs, it will not help me one bit.
Just seems that both sides aren't very good at barganing. The union brought something to the table. And yes, it seems to be a pretty good deal with lots of options. Then the company responds with a counter offer that stipulates the continued lower line value. Then both sides leave the table. One would think there should be a continued barganing practice. Not "I want this and nothing else" and "We'll also want this" and neither side is willing to bend.
Man goes in to buy a car. Dealer offers a price. Man says I'll pay that, but I want 10 years warranty. Dealer says no. In any normal situation, the process should continue from that point.
Wasn't there a Monty Python sketch like this once?
11-06-2008, 02:35 PM
#9605
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: ex-CRJ, now-ERJ FO
Posts: 209
Any furloughees try non-reving on NWA the last couple days? I thought I might be able to try since some had successfully slipped through the cracks. But...I see tonight on TravelNet they finally changed us to S3B, so I'm wondering if they're also on top of the NWA thing too. Just trying to find out so I don't get stuck tomorrow..........
11-06-2008, 03:31 PM
#9607
Furlough line holder
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: CRJ2, ATR, CRJ7, E145, 737
Posts: 1,845
I guess I misspoke. I know it isn't a raise. But a higher line value equates to greater income. I understand that there will be other changes aside from this, but I'm just discussing this one variable.
I just find it ironic that the union drew a line somewhere that says 50 jobs isn't enough to continue the lower line value.
And no, if the lower line value saves 50 jobs, it will not help me one bit.
Just seems that both sides aren't very good at barganing. The union brought something to the table. And yes, it seems to be a pretty good deal with lots of options. Then the company responds with a counter offer that stipulates the continued lower line value. Then both sides leave the table. One would think there should be a continued barganing practice. Not "I want this and nothing else" and "We'll also want this" and neither side is willing to bend.
Man goes in to buy a car. Dealer offers a price. Man says I'll pay that, but I want 10 years warranty. Dealer says no. In any normal situation, the process should continue from that point.
Wasn't there a Monty Python sketch like this once?
I just find it ironic that the union drew a line somewhere that says 50 jobs isn't enough to continue the lower line value.
And no, if the lower line value saves 50 jobs, it will not help me one bit.
Just seems that both sides aren't very good at barganing. The union brought something to the table. And yes, it seems to be a pretty good deal with lots of options. Then the company responds with a counter offer that stipulates the continued lower line value. Then both sides leave the table. One would think there should be a continued barganing practice. Not "I want this and nothing else" and "We'll also want this" and neither side is willing to bend.
Man goes in to buy a car. Dealer offers a price. Man says I'll pay that, but I want 10 years warranty. Dealer says no. In any normal situation, the process should continue from that point.
Wasn't there a Monty Python sketch like this once?
11-06-2008, 03:33 PM
#9608
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 110
Any furloughees try non-reving on NWA the last couple days? I thought I might be able to try since some had successfully slipped through the cracks. But...I see tonight on TravelNet they finally changed us to S3B, so I'm wondering if they're also on top of the NWA thing too. Just trying to find out so I don't get stuck tomorrow..........
11-06-2008, 04:05 PM
#9609
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: NOYDB
Posts: 876
Delta hates Comair pilots? I do know one thing, the Comair MEC needs to make amends with the Delta MEC. Be mighty nice to have them on your side as well, especially since they now have a seat on the board at Delta. I know most are still ****ed off about the whole furlogh deal, so it'd be a really tough sell to get back into their good graces.
11-06-2008, 04:26 PM
#9610
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: md-8
Posts: 51
from what i hae heard through the vine. the comair mec has been meeting with the delta mec regularly during the delta/nw merger integration process. now whether this decision of the delta mec to allow the comair mec to sit in on meetings was based upon the r.j.d.c. ruling vs. alpa or it was just in good grace by the delta mec i have no idea. i do know that according to the judges ruling on the r.j.d.c. case comair's mec was required to be allowed to sit in...but as of months ago that had not happened yet. anyway the whole point is that...yes the comair mec has been sitting in with delta and according to friends still at comair the comair and delta mec are getting along ok.
as far as the min. line value debate continues....it has been alpa's stance to stop giving back to companies. we all have given plenty and the times are changing. no more givebacks...simple as that. if a company goes down...oh well. that is the unions stance. plain and simple. the company on the other hand only cares about the min line value due to flexibility and cost savings and they are counting on the union breaking down over this. dont let it happen. stay strong. work hard. do your job. get paid. if you get furloughed. keep your chin up.
as far as the min. line value debate continues....it has been alpa's stance to stop giving back to companies. we all have given plenty and the times are changing. no more givebacks...simple as that. if a company goes down...oh well. that is the unions stance. plain and simple. the company on the other hand only cares about the min line value due to flexibility and cost savings and they are counting on the union breaking down over this. dont let it happen. stay strong. work hard. do your job. get paid. if you get furloughed. keep your chin up.
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