The diff between SKW and PNCL pay is more than just what the 2$ per hour would imply. The work rule / pay gaurantees at SKW affect the total credit emmensly. As a capt in the top half of my base I can average about 98 hrs per mo with 16 days off. Many FOs I fly with average well over 100 hrs per month of credit. I have many jumpseaters who look at the pairings we fly and see the pay and are green with envy. Not saying that I do not want to raise the bar here at SKW because I do. Unless PNCL actually surpasses SKW in pay and work rules, it seems to me like we are holding up the bar for you.
p.s. SKW pilots care about what happens at other airlines and we care about this industry. Just to give some of you guys a clue: We want to make more money too, we just don't think ALPA will get us there.

 

Perhaps you are holding the bar up for Pinnacle, and all other regional airlines in negotiations.

Or you might just be keeping it where it's at, helping nobody but (if only) yourselves.

The pilot group at 9E is very determined to get an industry LEADING contract. The bar will be raised. I hope to help raise it.

 

Yep, ol' Bruce is a 757 captain now, cool for him and bragging rights to say you are a 75 CA and an internationally known rock star. As well as the front man for one of the best metal bands of all time.

So, that old adage applies then. The guys flying the DC-9 at NW are nothing but regional pilots then?

 

Also,

UP THE IRONS

 

RJboy, great post.

 

ASA was preaching industry leading as well and their new contract certainly isn't lights out.

If $2 is all we are talking about, then ALPA shouldn't have used XJET as an example during their SkyWest drive because some of our 50 seat rates are about $2 below theirs. Plus, a lot of what they have we already have. Profit sharing, 401K, min daily guarantee.

I have said time and time again, our CA pay is slightly above average. It certainly is nothing to brag about. I am far from proud of it.

Airsupport, you quoted me as saying that we were "promised" a pay raise if ALPA fails. I never said. I was led to believe some things "are in the mix". We received an email today and SAPA is supposed to meet with management to discuss some things, but they have to wait 7 days in case ALPA appeals the vote.

It took ASA five years to negotiate a contract, you guys at Pinnacle are at two years??? You guys start flying 900's this month, right? You don't have a payscale for that yet, do you? I am sure it won't take the year and a half it took us, but it may take some time. If it is more than ours, I really think that is good for everyone. Talk to your "brothers" over at Mesa and blame them as well if it isn't.

Dojetdriver,

I started flying 121 for TSA in July, 2005. Corporate one month, hated it and SkyWest in September, 2006.

Our agreeing to a pay freeze for the 700 UAL flying was NOT a good thing. I was not there, no need to call me a genius. I am against the carrot dangling and had no part in that situation.

When other companies are negotiating contracts, do you think that the only company they look at is SkyWest? How about Mesa's 700 scale, gojet's payscale and others. You don't think our company does the same thing??? Why do you think our payscale is where it is at? Because Comair couldn't strike and people who fly for less. I voted no to our pay proposal and was *issed off when it passed. I did my part and voted no. ASA is certainly not industry leading, so they had better vote NO and continue to negotiate so we can all ride their coat tail. Minus the payscale, the other stuff I know about BROUGHT THEM UP TO US! Take that with a grain of salt because I still have yet to read their contract word for word. I am talking about the min. daily guarantee, duty rigs, profit sharing and 401k.

You shouldn't call someone out and then tell them they don't have to answer.

Speaking of which, I don't have the answer. Everyone says SkyWest is holding the bar down. Yet, I know is that with our current rates within the regional industry and some other little things SkyWest throws in there, we have it better than most. When most start having it better than us, I will switch my views.

I hope you all get better contracts than we do. That was the way it was in the old days. In today's airline world, it is the opposite. Will things get back to the way they were??? I think so. But if you think that our payscale has ANY effect on any major/legacy airline's payscale, think again.

 

Good for you , keep it up.

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Nope, I know for a fact they don't. BTW, how many bargaining processes have you been a part of? When the MEC puts together the pay comparison charts and all the respective airlines have their own neat little color and are graphed with years of service vs. pay rate, etc, and YOUR company is the dot at the LOW end of scale, well, whatever. I guess that would make YOUR pay rate pretty important at that point in relation to ones that are above it, wouldn't you?

You can't even mention hojet's in this argument, sorry. As far as MESA goes, yep, their rates suck. But by chance, do you know what their MEC was up against when they were trying to negotiate that CBA? Doubt it. I'm not defending them, but if you knew the situation, it's rather easy to understand why they got the sh1tty deal they did.

I'm not talking about now, COMAIR's rates are CONCESSIONARY. Why didn't your group look at what they had prior to being bent over?

Then don't cry about me calling you out then.

I've already worked under two contracts that were better than what you have, and one was concessionary. But can you really say that you work under a "contract" per se? The guys I know there say it's more like a hand book that leaves itself open to interpretation. And lately that interpretation is less and less in the pilots favor in a lot of cases.

 

Why can't I mention gojet? They are a airline represented by a union.

What two airlines did you work for?

So if we had a great payscale and then took concessions, what is the point? Isn't a benefit of a union to strike? When Comair had that awesome contract, how many airlines followed? Or was that about the same time 9/11 hit?

Our pay proposal was smoke and mirrors. I can't speak for the people who voted yes. I am certainly disappointed in those who did.

 

Speaking of gojet, they are represented by a union and they were created to bust TWO union contracts: TSA's and American's. So even among unions there is no unity.

 

with a different (pro-labor) administration in place you would have seen a very different result to the blowjet scenario and it would have been solved after the very first grievance.

please no more union busting. youre not a manager, youre an employee. dont do their job for them. they make A LOT more money than you to do that.