3ish years??? What did the guys who were hired in 2006 that upgraded have when they were hired?

 

The gouge came from the IFR oral guide. There's a whole pool of questions. Why run the risk of getting different ones. Just go through the oral guide and have it all. Like I said, nothing on mine was from the gouge. Everyone in my class studied it and they took a while to get through.

 

You just have to have the ATP to upgrade so the upgrade requirements are the ATP requirements. 3ish years is just a guess on his part. If you do some searching to the end of 06 everyone was saying the same thing and as you can see the newest awards went to Nov. 06 guys.

 

So wait........you say stay away from the gouge and just study the IFR oral guide but then the gouge comes from the IFR oral guide?????? Just wondering what advice it is you are giving for the perspectives......

 

Are you being serious? Isn't it obvious? Unless the gouge contains all the questions from the oral guide then it isn't as complete. Which is sure doesn't. Doesn't even come close. Don't know how many times i have to say this but I'll toss it out there one more time. OUR TEST QUESTIONS WERE NOT THE QUESTIONS ON THE GOUGE. THEY WERE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE ORAL GUIDE.

I guess if our "perspectives" can't understand the statements then they just might not have the mental ability to pass the tests. After all it's basically a test question in itself.

Pick the answer that seems most accurate.
All gouge questions come from the oral guides, all test questions come from the oral guides, therefore:
A: All test questions come from the gouge.
B: Some test questions come from the gouge.
C: It's completely plausible that there could be questions, a ton of them, that are in the 100+page oral guide that are not in the 3 page gouge that were asked.

 

Yes, dead serious. No, not obvious at all. Again, your quote was "The gouge came from the IFR oral guide." Before you decide to short circuit go back and read what you wrote. No big deal though. No harm no foul.

 

That is a question from the SAT college entrance test!

 

Most of the guys hired in 2006 were under the "old" minimums of 1500TT/300ME. I believe somewhere around October/November/December they lowered them to 1000TT/100ME.

You need at least 2500TT in order to upgrade in addition to the ATP mins. Someone with an ATP or meeting ATP mins that has below 2500TT would not be eligible for upgrade. It may be the reason this award went so junior as a friend of mine couldn't bid for this slot since he didn't have 2500TT. If it happened to him, I'm sure it happened to others as well.

When I got hired I figured a 2 year upgrade at least. I was wrong by about 6-9 months on the good side. Figure at least a 2 year upgrade here. Keep in mind that a lot of hiring occurred between Aug 06 - right now. Between me and the most junior captain before this award was over a year...however it was only about 250 numbers on the seniority list and the majority of those guys were J4J (i.e. not taking any upgrade). Between me and the most junior pilot at the company is a couple months over a year but over 800 numbers on the seniority list. It's a big difference.

Edit - In terms of upgrade though, ToiletDuck was closer than any of our guesses as to when people would upgrade. I don't think it'll stay as junior as this bid went...but I would consider his opinion since he was almost dead-on this time around.

 

Yeah, I base the three years for someone hired today. We are not expect significant additional growth right now. Probably top out around 2300 pilots. We have just under 2100 right now. Junior upgrade this round was around 1250. Assuming average attrition of 30/month, that gives about 28-35 months based on which point of that hiring curve. Guys hired earlier this year will upgrade faster. That huge push from last fall to today really messes up predictions based on current events. The questions is when will the plateau hit.

 

March 1st is when the mins dropped to 1000/100.