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Old 01-16-2008 | 01:07 PM
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Skywest pilots please wake up and realize now that your management does not care about you.

Ill say it again. Your management does not care about you.

Skywest pilots: Your management does not care about you.


Ok with that being said, skywest pilots, please stop defending your management, which oh by the way does not care about you!
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Old 01-16-2008 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
Skywest pilots please wake up and realize now that your management does not care about you.

Ill say it again. Your management does not care about you.

Skywest pilots: Your management does not care about you.


Ok with that being said, skywest pilots, please stop defending your management, which oh by the way does not care about you!
Dude, Jerry cares. Seriously, stop flaming.
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Old 01-16-2008 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by meritflyer
Dude, Jerry cares. Seriously, stop flaming.
No flame. just fact. just had to use repetition cuz theres a lot of poor brainwashed souls out there
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Old 01-16-2008 | 01:38 PM
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Proud AND brainwashed, then, here...
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Old 01-16-2008 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Proud AND brainwashed, then, here...
LOL. The only way to know who's really brainwashed is who's proud of their regional enough to stay.
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Old 01-16-2008 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The super-senior guys gave themselves a fat raise, and the company went along cheerfully because it's WAY cheaper to give a tiny handful of pilots a big raise than it is to give EVERYBODY a moderate raise.

But don't kid yourself, this phenomenon occurs at EVERY regional pilot group, union or not (I have seen this exact scenario played out at my last ALP{A carrier). It probably occurs at the majors too.

The only antidote for this situation is for a huge number of junior pilots to make a lot of noise about the situation and try to get the proposal revised before it goes to vote. I doubt that will happen in this case. Since SKW is not union, voting No will not accomplish much...the company will just go away nad come back to talk in 2-3 years.
This would not necessarily happen at an ALPA carrier. The MEC charges the negotiating committee with the top priorities to improve in negotiations, whats off the table, what would be icing on the cake, etc. The negotiating committee takes their marching orders into to the table with management. Once they have something, they take it back to the MEC for the MEC to decide whether to send the negotiating committee back to the table or to accept the TA. The MEC decides what and when a TA goes to pilot ratification. None of this happens in a vacuum since the MEC is composed of democratically elected pilots who have the ear of the line pilots telling them what they want from the TA.

Originally Posted by Slaphappy
I will vote yes and i encourage everyone else at skywest to do the same. I don't think we would have gotten something much different had we voted in alpa, plus alpa takes their 2% cut too.
Maybe, maybe not. You will never know how much you could have gotten when you have real bargaining power with the leverage of the possibility of self help given to union pilots by the RLA. This is the only way to have real good faith bargaining. Without it, you will never realize the wage you could have gotten.

By the way, its 1.95% for non probationary pilots. And it gets you a whole lot more than just a contract. And its tax deductible. And I can keep going.
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Old 01-16-2008 | 03:35 PM
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Do they actually think this thing is going to pass or are there a whole lot more koolaid drinkers there than I thought? Hopefully the skywest pilot group doesn't swallow that crap sandwich.
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Old 01-17-2008 | 09:07 PM
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Yeah your management may be good to you but they still are holding you way back. Not to mention us at XJT have sick pay and QOL, and we can't go any where up since everyone is below us in terms of work rules and pay. So yeah this agreement you have with management does hold us back.
They only give you pay similar to us since that is what we have, yet we had to fight for it and have to pay our dues. Your welcome by the way.
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Old 01-17-2008 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SlingAir
Just remember last time we voted down a proposed pay package. It was 18% roughly. They came back with the Brad Holt Overide and ZERO for our Bro brothers.

We do not have a contract, we do not have legal representation. Therefore we have NO bargaining power. We get what they offer bottom line.
And you guys are pretty much tool boxes for the stated above. You guys are finally starting to see how the game is played, and truly good luck to you, say hi to Jerry for me
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Old 01-17-2008 | 10:05 PM
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Ugh, this whole thing is ridiculous. You guys vote down ALPA, and now you're up in arms about a crappy pay increase. I hate to say it, but you guys made your own beds on this one. SKW management has absolutely no requirement to bargain with the pilot group if you all choose to vote down their offer. The SKW pilot group is simply hoping that management will find it in their hearts to negotiate, but I'm afraid hope just isn't enough. Remember, what you all do has an effect on all of us. We all want you guys to get a huge boost in pay and QOL. We really do. If that were to happen, we'd all be able to push just a bit harder at our own airlines to do the same.

Honestly, SKW is on the verge of losing a lot of respectability, especially after the ALPA no-vote. C'mon guys, step up to the plate on this one...whatever it takes.
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