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Old 01-16-2008, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Paok
ps I know its not all about hourly wage.
Obviously you don't, because you go on to say:

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but hey Id be embarrassed by your NEW payscales.....
With the way we rack up credit at Skywest, I'm not making that much less than I was as a 1st year FO at Horizon. No joke. Pay raise or not, I'll definitely have a better income my 2nd year. By a good margin.

Nonetheless, the proposal (aside from the 1st year pay increase) stinks, and indeed falls well short of what I was hoping for.
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:32 AM
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With the way we rack up credit at Skywest, I'm not making that much less than I was as a 1st year FO at Horizon.
Absolutely! I racked up 143:22 a couple months back...and all that at straight-pay - no OT! Try doing that anywhere else
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:40 AM
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3/10 people giving reasons why we should be jealous we dont work for SKW.... ?
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by meritflyer
Justify your new crappy rates any way you can. [Some of] you SKYW guys need to wake up. You get a dump taken on your face then say "it's okay because it wasn't diaherra."
Just stating a fact, bro. Even I am not content with the proposal, as I stated.
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:45 AM
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3/10 people giving reasons why we should be jealous we dont work for SKW.... ?
Negative. Call it 2/10 if you want. I was by no means trying to convince you that "my regional is better than yours." Just give you a little info.

I'm quite certain you're much better off where you're at now. Where is that, by the way?
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
and tony no offense man but you are just one of the pawns of sapa.. the core of sapa is a bunch of guys that have been there FOREVER... they let a few new guys in because they feel like they can control them easier, hence your yes vote to send this to the pilots. if you would have voted no they still would have done it without you... like someons saying on here goes.. power isn't being able to choose, its giving the options.

The super-senior guys gave themselves a fat raise, and the company went along cheerfully because it's WAY cheaper to give a tiny handful of pilots a big raise than it is to give EVERYBODY a moderate raise.

But don't kid yourself, this phenomenon occurs at EVERY regional pilot group, union or not (I have seen this exact scenario played out at my last ALP{A carrier). It probably occurs at the majors too.

The only antidote for this situation is for a huge number of junior pilots to make a lot of noise about the situation and try to get the proposal revised before it goes to vote. I doubt that will happen in this case. Since SKW is not union, voting No will not accomplish much...the company will just go away nad come back to talk in 2-3 years.
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by meritflyer
Looks like a pilot group needs to pull their heads out of their asses and quit getting bent over by management.

I just want what's best for you guys and when you continue to not get it, no action is taken.

I just dont understand.
Dude quit scaring me...you sound like Mgmt...wait, or worse the FAA!
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:55 AM
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Absolutely! I racked up 143:22 a couple months back...and all that at straight-pay - no OT! Try doing that anywhere else
Is this a joke? If you're flying over guarantee it should be OT, i.e time-and-a-half.

If I missed the sarcasm I apologize.

In the mean time, you guys got what was coming. I have an entire crew of friends still at SKW and they all voted for ALPA, not because it was ALPA, but because it was a UNION that would allow them to COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN.

Sorry to say but you guys have really lost touch.
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Old 01-16-2008, 08:22 AM
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Keep it up "dude".

Bend over and grab your ankles. Jerry is about to have at it.
If you're going to come in there with that kind of attitude then beat it!

We know what we have and we don't need asses like you throughing around such harse language.

I'll see the rest of you on the flip, I need to take my DC-9.....errrrrrr CR9.........to MKE and then COS.
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Is this a joke? If you're flying over guarantee it should be OT, i.e time-and-a-half.

If I missed the sarcasm I apologize.

In the mean time, you guys got what was coming. I have an entire crew of friends still at SKW and they all voted for ALPA, not because it was ALPA, but because it was a UNION that would allow them to COLLECTIVELY BARGAIN.

Sorry to say but you guys have really lost touch.
Please name a single Regional that pays OT for anything over guarantee...it would probably be a very, very short list! And further, do you know why it wasn't OT?? Because it was flying picked up from another crewmember, not open-time.
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