I feel bad for Mesa
11-01-2008 | 09:27 PM
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Our management doesn't jump unless RA or Don Bornhorst says so. Our president is just a puppet for Richard Anderson. All this Freedom stuff comes straight for Delta. When your a w/o you dont' have a free thinking management group. But on the other hand you have JO and that guy will blame his own mother for Mesa's problems! I hated going to his daily meetings. The kool-aide factor is just nausiating.
Most of our pilots know Delta is at fault for all this and not Freedom or MAG.
Most people can't distinguish the difference between company and employees and that's a huge problem.
11-02-2008 | 05:38 AM
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Have you ever received the finger from a Mesa pilot while taxiing out? Have you ever heard a Mesa pilot call you a scab on the radio? Have you ever been denied a jumpseat while trying to go home on a Mesa plane and have the Captain tell you to get off his f'ing plane before he calls security? Have you had a Mesa pilot in your crashpad pour water all over the beds of Comair pilots? NO SIR YOU HAVE NOT
All of these things have happened to Freedom pilots and every single one of them has been proven to come from a Comair pilot. This isn't just a "select few" disgruntled pilots at Comair. This is a HUGE problem
Why does this bickering even happen at the regional level? If you step back and look, we fight like we're 5 years old. Why are we even wasting our time fighting? This is so childish but we will continue to do it.
At the very least I think we can make a gentleman's agreement that if someone we know at our respective airline is doing any of these things to say something to that person. Unfortunately many of us are losing our jobs and it all started with the Delta/Freedom debacle, so it's not hard to see why so many here are blaming Freedom and I am saddened to find out that some of my co-workers are taking it out on you.
11-02-2008 | 08:05 AM
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Have you ever received the finger from a Mesa pilot while taxiing out? Have you ever heard a Mesa pilot call you a scab on the radio? Have you ever been denied a jumpseat while trying to go home on a Mesa plane and have the Captain tell you to get off his f'ing plane before he calls security? Have you had a Mesa pilot in your crashpad pour water all over the beds of Comair pilots? NO SIR YOU HAVE NOT
All of these things have happened to Freedom pilots and every single one of them has been proven to come from a Comair pilot. This isn't just a "select few" disgruntled pilots at Comair. This is a HUGE problem
Why does this bickering even happen at the regional level? If you step back and look, we fight like we're 5 years old. Why are we even wasting our time fighting? This is so childish but we will continue to do it.
11-02-2008 | 08:32 AM
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Wow. Pretty ignorant of you.
11-02-2008 | 10:16 AM
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logic1, I don't want to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, however since you say I'm ignorant I wish to point out a few items about Mesa.
First, I'll cite PlaneBusiness's award of its annual Ron Allen Airline (Mis) Management Award for '08 to the Mesa Board, here is an excerpt from the award article:
Second, JO was the runner-up for the WORST CEO of the YEAR by MarketWatch
Third, the stock market says Mesa - the entire company - is worth just $9 million dollars, or about 1/4th cost of a CRJ 900(based on last closing price of $.37 a share.
The only difference between the Titantic and Mesa is that at least the Titantic had a band. I feel sorry for anyone at Mesa that is not actively looking for another job, particularly those supporting a family.
I have a simple "a-hole" test. If everyone says you're an "a-hole", you're a "a-hole". JO is an "a-hole". His career is replete with treachery and deceit and anyone who is following him is an idiot being led to an ignoble end.
I love you too.....
First, I'll cite PlaneBusiness's award of its annual Ron Allen Airline (Mis) Management Award for '08 to the Mesa Board, here is an excerpt from the award article:
Now, my question to readers today is this -- given all of this financial performance information, why would a company's board of directors refuse to make a change in control at the top of the company? And hey, we haven't even talked about the specifics driving these numbers, such as: the millions of dollars lost on go!; operational problems with the airline's regional partners due to lack of crews; massive numbers of pilot departures; an embarrassing public trial in which the airline's CFO was found to have destroyed evidence while supposedly ridding his computer of a virus he claimed to have picked up when looking at internet porn, while its CEO looked ridiculous claiming under oath that "forestall" meant to "encourage"; and finally, the airline was found to have misused confidential information concerning a competitor, and was ordered to pay more than $80 million in damages and legal fees. No, we aren't talking about any of these items.
(note, after the CFO was supposedly canned, he was photographed in meetings in China with Mesa's joint venture partner - the venture is being abandoned.)Second, JO was the runner-up for the WORST CEO of the YEAR by MarketWatch
Away from financial services, Mesa Air's Jonathan Ornstein received the most write-in votes by employees, investors and employees of competitors. (It was an impressive, concerted campaign.) Not only does the company suffer the lowest margins and boast the worst-performing stock among regional airlines, with "skyrocketing" pilot attrition (per an Air Line Pilots Association press release), but it recently was embarrassed after a judge ruled that Mesa must pay $80 million to Hawaiian Air for using confidential, proprietary information to start its inter-island Hawaiian competitor, "go!" (Mesa says it plans to appeal.)
(note Mesa ended up settling rather than appealing.)Third, the stock market says Mesa - the entire company - is worth just $9 million dollars, or about 1/4th cost of a CRJ 900(based on last closing price of $.37 a share.
The only difference between the Titantic and Mesa is that at least the Titantic had a band. I feel sorry for anyone at Mesa that is not actively looking for another job, particularly those supporting a family.
I have a simple "a-hole" test. If everyone says you're an "a-hole", you're a "a-hole". JO is an "a-hole". His career is replete with treachery and deceit and anyone who is following him is an idiot being led to an ignoble end.
I love you too.....
11-02-2008 | 10:54 AM
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First, I'll cite PlaneBusiness's award of its annual Ron Allen Airline (Mis) Management Award for '08 to the Mesa Board, here is an excerpt from the award article:
Now, my question to readers today is this -- given all of this financial performance information, why would a company's board of directors refuse to make a change in control at the top of the company? And hey, we haven't even talked about the specifics driving these numbers, such as: the millions of dollars lost on go!; operational problems with the airline's regional partners due to lack of crews; massive numbers of pilot departures; an embarrassing public trial in which the airline's CFO was found to have destroyed evidence while supposedly ridding his computer of a virus he claimed to have picked up when looking at internet porn, while its CEO looked ridiculous claiming under oath that "forestall" meant to "encourage"; and finally, the airline was found to have misused confidential information concerning a competitor, and was ordered to pay more than $80 million in damages and legal fees. No, we aren't talking about any of these items.
(note, after the CFO was supposedly canned, he was photographed in meetings in China with Mesa's joint venture partner - the venture is being abandoned.)Second, JO was the runner-up for the WORST CEO of the YEAR by MarketWatch
Away from financial services, Mesa Air's Jonathan Ornstein received the most write-in votes by employees, investors and employees of competitors. (It was an impressive, concerted campaign.) Not only does the company suffer the lowest margins and boast the worst-performing stock among regional airlines, with "skyrocketing" pilot attrition (per an Air Line Pilots Association press release), but it recently was embarrassed after a judge ruled that Mesa must pay $80 million to Hawaiian Air for using confidential, proprietary information to start its inter-island Hawaiian competitor, "go!" (Mesa says it plans to appeal.)
(note Mesa ended up settling rather than appealing.)Third, the stock market says Mesa - the entire company - is worth just $9 million dollars, or about 1/4th cost of a CRJ 900(based on last closing price of $.37 a share.
The only difference between the Titantic and Mesa is that at least the Titantic had a band. I feel sorry for anyone at Mesa that is not actively looking for another job, particularly those supporting a family.
I have a simple "a-hole" test. If everyone says you're an "a-hole", you're a "a-hole". JO is an "a-hole". His career is replete with treachery and deceit and anyone who is following him is an idiot being led to an ignoble end.
I love you too.....
CRJPit, I wouldn't urge anyone to violate the law...my intent is perhaps better stated not "strike" but quit! leave!
Nice post just a couple things I would like to clarify.
JOJO:
All MAG pilots despise their fearless leader/CEO more than the competition.
New Jobs:
The solution to quit and leave, hmmmm where they gonna go right now? Most are actively seeking new jobs. But to jump out of a pile of .... to another pile of .... for the "greater good" is a pile of .... rhetoric.
Contracts:
The MEC voted down the last contract proposal. And everyone I spoke with is set to vote the next 1 down too unless it is on par. So yeah it's gonna be awhile.
And no I don't feel bad for MESA, but I do for my fellow bro's in the trenches who have responsibilites, families etc.
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11-02-2008 | 02:54 PM
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Ski Partrol...good thoughts....agree that the economy, market etc. sucks for finding a job...if you have one at Mesa I'd hang on to it until I get another one, or when MAG folds...but I'd definitely be beating the bushes for a new home, the buzzards are circling Phoenix.
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