Are F/Os really scum?
03-11-2008, 08:46 AM
#21
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Position: A320/321 FO
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Maybe next time be the one to say hello and extend your hand for a firm hand shake. They will respect you more for taking the initiative and it will also say, "Hi, I'm here too...I'm not just right seat ballast."
Works every time for me. I've never had a problem. Or, maybe I just have been lucky? Also, as others have said, when walking through the terminal, don't be afraid to strike up a conversation with a 'mainline' crewmember. It shows that you have confidence in yourself, and it shows you are outgoing and appoachable too. You know, sometimes they are the ones that are the shy ones too...
Works every time for me. I've never had a problem. Or, maybe I just have been lucky? Also, as others have said, when walking through the terminal, don't be afraid to strike up a conversation with a 'mainline' crewmember. It shows that you have confidence in yourself, and it shows you are outgoing and appoachable too. You know, sometimes they are the ones that are the shy ones too...
03-11-2008, 08:59 AM
#22
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: CA
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To All,
I don't have J/S privlages any longer...frac pilot 12+yrs...but when I did and was working...as FO my Capt's always made a point of introducing me and the cabin crew to the J/S. I used this when I upgraded to Capt...always set nice tone of...your part of the crew mentality. Old technique but worked well.
Have a Happy.
I don't have J/S privlages any longer...frac pilot 12+yrs...but when I did and was working...as FO my Capt's always made a point of introducing me and the cabin crew to the J/S. I used this when I upgraded to Capt...always set nice tone of...your part of the crew mentality. Old technique but worked well.
Have a Happy.
03-11-2008, 09:04 AM
#23
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Position: CA
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I noticed that a good portion of jumpseaters ignore the FO's. It never really bothered me when I was an FO, half the time I would not even turn my head to see who wanted the jumpseat. Would not want to inflate their mainline ego any more than it has to be.
Just as a side note, a few years ago I was returning home from a job interview and jumpseated on United. I approaced the Capt with my ID, jumpseat form, still wearing the ultra conservative interview suit and tie. When I politely asked for a ride home the crusty old captain responded with "Do you know the rules?" to which I responed "yes sir" he then offered a seat in the back. I guess he thought I was going to grope the flight attendants, or smear feces on the walls or something. Since then I had always wanted to see this guy asking me for the jumpseat. Instead of a simple "certainly", I would of course say "Do you know the rules?"
Just as a side note, a few years ago I was returning home from a job interview and jumpseated on United. I approaced the Capt with my ID, jumpseat form, still wearing the ultra conservative interview suit and tie. When I politely asked for a ride home the crusty old captain responded with "Do you know the rules?" to which I responed "yes sir" he then offered a seat in the back. I guess he thought I was going to grope the flight attendants, or smear feces on the walls or something. Since then I had always wanted to see this guy asking me for the jumpseat. Instead of a simple "certainly", I would of course say "Do you know the rules?"
03-11-2008, 09:30 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by cessna157
Had a bit of a rude encounter yesterday. Flew a flight yesterday that had 12 first class pax, 64 coach pax, and a jumpseater. Jumpseater was a DL 737 capt based in ATL. He walks up to the cockpit, introduces himself to the capt, shows his credentials, etc. During the 2+hour flight, capt and j/s chat back and forth about some stuff they had in common. So I took the radios so they could chat undisturbed (it was my leg to fly). We land, taxi in, and start deplaning. J/S thanks the capt for the ride, shakes his hand, gathers his bags and leaves. He didn't say one word to me the entire time. Didn't look at me. Didn't acknowledge my existence.
My question is, isn't it professional courtesy to thank the crew, etc. for giving you a ride to work for free, especially in the jumpseat? As an f/o, am I really pond scum?
My question is, isn't it professional courtesy to thank the crew, etc. for giving you a ride to work for free, especially in the jumpseat? As an f/o, am I really pond scum?
03-11-2008, 09:44 AM
#25
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
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This is one of the reasons I hate to jumpseat and love living at base. So tired of dealing with all the quirks CA's have.
My favorite is when you JS and the gate agent assigns you a seat. You still approach the flight deck to ask the CA for a ride out of respect and he looks at you like you are crazy for asking when you already have a seat. However the one time you don't check in with the CA when given a seat is the time you get kicked off.
My favorite is when you JS and the gate agent assigns you a seat. You still approach the flight deck to ask the CA for a ride out of respect and he looks at you like you are crazy for asking when you already have a seat. However the one time you don't check in with the CA when given a seat is the time you get kicked off.
03-11-2008, 10:11 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by N2rotation
Just guessing. Maybe he had some resentment that you are flying a "12 first class pax, 64 coach pax airliner" for a fraction of the pay, and a job that should be at mainline?
At least the captain is compensated so he can pay the bills, but I can understand why any mainline pilot would have resentment towards any FO flying 70-90 pax around for crapbag wages. That's chipping away at his profession.
Not flamebait at all, but you don't think you're better in your 76 seat CRJ 900 with first class than if you were a 50 seat FO for the same rates do you? Sure hope not.
At least the captain is compensated so he can pay the bills, but I can understand why any mainline pilot would have resentment towards any FO flying 70-90 pax around for crapbag wages. That's chipping away at his profession.
Not flamebait at all, but you don't think you're better in your 76 seat CRJ 900 with first class than if you were a 50 seat FO for the same rates do you? Sure hope not.
PS Comair doesnt pay the same rates for the 50, and the 900.........just splitting hairs
and ps whenever I jumpseat I introduce myself to the captain, fo and flight attendant..... have some manners....jeeze
03-11-2008, 10:59 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: CRJ FO no more
Posts: 463
Originally Posted by The Juice
My favorite is when you JS and the gate agent assigns you a seat. You still approach the flight deck to ask the CA for a ride out of respect and he looks at you like you are crazy for asking when you already have a seat. However the one time you don't check in with the CA when given a seat is the time you get kicked off.
03-11-2008, 11:26 AM
#28
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Position: B6 CA
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Originally Posted by chignutsak
Is it the end of the freaking world if you are not acknowledged? Who cares? Just say, "By the way, sport, there's a smudge on one of your gold buttons."
03-11-2008, 11:30 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by cessna157
My question is, isn't it professional courtesy to thank the crew, etc. for giving you a ride to work for free, especially in the jumpseat?
Maybe you just aren't his type.
03-11-2008, 11:48 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by trackpilot
hmm i didn't know you had to ask the CA if the gate agent gave you a seat. Also how would he know? If he did find out i would think he'd assume you were just another non rev'r.
Non reving is a benefit, jumpseating is a priviledge. In the last two weeks, had two captains threaten to throw off at least 5 jumpseaters, including one Comair guy for just taking a seat in the back. They made the agents go get them and bring them up. Was it a dick move? Some would say yes, some no. Remember, regardless of the agent handed you a seat card, you still are riding at the captains discretion and you need his/her permission.
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