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Old 03-11-2008, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
Jumpseating is NOT non-reving.
I couldn't disagree more. If I'm riding on my own airline or mainline, and I'm not on positive space deadhead, then I'm a nonrev. Granted, I could be forced to sit up front if there were no other seats in back. Then, by definition, I'd be jumpseating.
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Old 03-11-2008, 12:28 PM
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short answer: yes
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Old 03-11-2008, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
At DAL, jumpseaters show up on our AWABS and even if you get a seat in the back you are required to check in with the captain. Jumpseating is NOT non-reving. As a NR you can drink, as a jumpseater, even in civilian clothes you cannot drink. The only difference is the OAL FA jumpseaters. Technically they are ID0 nonrevs, not jumpseaters and can only sit in a cabin seat, not an actual jumpseat.

Non reving is a benefit, jumpseating is a priviledge. In the last two weeks, had two captains threaten to throw off at least 5 jumpseaters, including one Comair guy for just taking a seat in the back. They made the agents go get them and bring them up. Was it a dick move? Some would say yes, some no. Remember, regardless of the agent handed you a seat card, you still are riding at the captains discretion and you need his/her permission.
Iím not sure if you work for Delta or not, but what you are saying is incorrect about a Comair pilots jump seating on Delta. We do not have to talk to anyone if we have a seat in the back. We list our self on the flight and get a seat and thatís the end of it. You can introduce your self to the crew as a courtesy, but you do not have to get their permission to ride in the back.
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Old 03-11-2008, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by flycrj200 View Post
Iím not sure if you work for Delta or not, but what you are saying is incorrect about a Comair pilots jump seating on Delta. We do not have to talk to anyone if we have a seat in the back. We list our self on the flight and get a seat and thatís the end of it. You can introduce your self to the crew as a courtesy, but you do not have to get their permission to ride in the back.

HMMMM not sure that is correct. Yes we can list for non-rev and get a seat in the back. But if you approach the gate agent and ask for the jump seat, regardless of where you sit.....if your boarding card says jump seat request you had better check in with the captain.

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Old 03-11-2008, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by flycrj200 View Post
Iím not sure if you work for Delta or not, but what you are saying is incorrect about a Comair pilots jump seating on Delta. We do not have to talk to anyone if we have a seat in the back. We list our self on the flight and get a seat and thatís the end of it. You can introduce your self to the crew as a courtesy, but you do not have to get their permission to ride in the back.
You are seriously confusing the difference between non-revving and the Jumpseat. If you list yourself to non rev as an S-3 or S-2 and you get cleared with a seat assignment, then you can take your seat and do what you please. If you request the jumpseat you will ask the Captain for permission (or at the very least introduce yourself to the Captain)....even if the gate agent gives you a cabin seat as part of the jumpseat request. All jumpseat riders, whether they sit in the cabin or in the actual jumseat , must introduce themselves to the Captain and request permission to ride the jumpseat (says so in black and white on FOM page 4-3.2). The only difference between a jumpseater who occupies the actual jumpseat and one who flows back to the cabin is that the Captain need not verify the credentials of a flowback rider.

If you are being taught something other than this, then we need to get our Jumpseat reps together for a little talk.

Believe me, I'm not being a hard ass here. I'm a commuter myself and I'm very sympathetic to fellow commuters and I never play politics with my jumpseat. However, there are certain rules to be followed. I agree that with the many new flowback agreements between airlines now in place (which is a great thing), some Captains get pretty cavalier about requiring you to introduce yourself....that doesn't mean that you should stop doing it.
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Last time I sat up front the FO had the worst breath. That was my reason for not talking to him. Check your breath next time before you complain that your jumpseaters dont like you. crybaby.
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Originally Posted by The Chow View Post
HMMMM not sure that is correct. Yes we can list for non-rev and get a seat in the back. But if you approach the gate agent and ask for the jump seat, regardless of where you sit.....if your boarding card says jump seat request you had better check in with the captain.

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If the boat is pretty full, I ask for the gate for jumpseat. They usually find me a seat before I board, but because I was listed as a JSer, the CA is expecting one so I go check in with him anyway.

If I'm in pure non-rev status I usually don't bother, mainly to stay out of the way.

If you are in a JS status, or even had the conversation with the CSR, best to say hi to the CA to avoid misunderstandings.

We had a gojetter get on in ORD (badge turned around and everything), didn't even pause at the cockpit, just went back to his seat. We were annoyed that we were taking him, but he has nonrev on UAL/UAX so there was nothing we could do... until the CSR brought in the paperwork showing him as a JS'er A JSer who didn't check in...off the plane he went! It made my day actually.
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Old 03-11-2008, 01:52 PM
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If I were your Captain, I would have noticed the jump-seater "dissing" you and corrected the situation. I would have done that by introducing him to you. "and this is Bob..." Disrespect my f/o and you disrespect me. Also, I would have made it a point to bring you into the conversation if the guy was ignoring you. Sounds like your captain was a bit of a jerk too. Did you mention this to him? Something like, "did you notice that guy didn't even acknowledge my existence?"

Having said all that, yes, there are many captains who look down their noses at f/o's.
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Originally Posted by DelDah Capt View Post
You are seriously confusing the difference between non-revving and the Jumpseat. If you list yourself to non rev as an S-3 or S-2 and you get cleared with a seat assignment, then you can take your seat and do what you please. If you request the jumpseat you will ask the Captain for permission (or at the very least introduce yourself to the Captain)....even if the gate agent gives you a cabin seat as part of the jumpseat request. All jumpseat riders, whether they sit in the cabin or in the actual jumseat , must introduce themselves to the Captain and request permission to ride the jumpseat (says so in black and white on FOM page 4-3.2). The only difference between a jumpseater who occupies the actual jumpseat and one who flows back to the cabin is that the Captain need not verify the credentials of a flowback rider.

If you are being taught something other than this, then we need to get our Jumpseat reps together for a little talk.

Believe me, I'm not being a hard ass here. I'm a commuter myself and I'm very sympathetic to fellow commuters and I never play politics with my jumpseat. However, there are certain rules to be followed. I agree that with the many new flowback agreements between airlines now in place (which is a great thing), some Captains get pretty cavalier about requiring you to introduce yourself....that doesn't mean that you should stop doing it.
This man is right on, if your jump seating and it says jump seat, go talk to the captain and fo.
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Old 03-11-2008, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cubflyer View Post
Don't you perform the weight & balance calculations? HMMMMMM! Sorry Mr. Delta God.....looks like we are overweight. Better luck next time TOOL.

Not a good idea. The only folks who seems to be willing to play games with the JS are the one who don't commute.

On a side note.....I think Jet Blue has to be the friendliest place to JS.
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