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Old 12-30-2013 | 08:10 AM
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HercDriver130 is correct, people with money will charter a jet under part 91 to go where or whenever they want and without the TSA BS! Money always talks whereas everything else walks!
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Old 12-30-2013 | 08:13 AM
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The vast majority of region flying will return to the legacy carriers. As the hundreds of 50 seat jets are parked and the legacy carriers hiring makes it impossible for many regionals to meet their committed flying.

A win for everyone.
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Old 12-30-2013 | 08:15 AM
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This thread just goes to show how little everyone on here actually knows.

Food for thought when people start running their mouths.

40% decrease in capacity? yea that went well.
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Old 12-30-2013 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
A win for everyone.
Except the RJ guys who lose their jobs. Everyone seems to think they'll automatically get a mainline job. In actuality, its MAYBE a 10% shot at best.

It sounds good that DAL is hiring 600 pilots next year. How many apps? 10,000? That's a 6% shot.

UCAL/AA the same number? That's an 18% shot.

Ask yourself this...would you go all-in in a poker tourney if you only had a 6% shot at getting the card you need?
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Old 12-30-2013 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Except the RJ guys who lose their jobs. Everyone seems to think they'll automatically get a mainline job. In actuality, its MAYBE a 10% shot at best.

It sounds good that DAL is hiring 600 pilots next year. How many apps? 10,000? That's a 6% shot.

UCAL/AA the same number? That's an 18% shot.

Ask yourself this...would you go all-in in a poker tourney if you only had a 6% shot at getting the card you need?
But what of the next year....and the year after that ?
Those odds get better as time goes on and pilots retire; and the fact of the matter is that quite a few started this 'career' looking at odds even lower than the ones you state.

Amway would be proud.......
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Old 12-30-2013 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Except the RJ guys who lose their jobs. Everyone seems to think they'll automatically get a mainline job. In actuality, its MAYBE a 10% shot at best.

It sounds good that DAL is hiring 600 pilots next year. How many apps? 10,000? That's a 6% shot.

UCAL/AA the same number? That's an 18% shot.

Ask yourself this...would you go all-in in a poker tourney if you only had a 6% shot at getting the card you need?
Considering every legacy is saying they have 10000 qualified apps on file tells me they have a lot of common apps. Take your number of 600 multiply 3 and you get 1800 new hires in a year. Add that to the LLCs, cargo, etc. and that applicant pool is going to dry up awfully fast.

I'm not an optimist but this is math.
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Old 12-30-2013 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Except the RJ guys who lose their jobs. Everyone seems to think they'll automatically get a mainline job. In actuality, its MAYBE a 10% shot at best.

It sounds good that DAL is hiring 600 pilots next year. How many apps? 10,000? That's a 6% shot.

UCAL/AA the same number? That's an 18% shot.

Ask yourself this...would you go all-in in a poker tourney if you only had a 6% shot at getting the card you need?
Your calculation needs some work. 10,000 apps: how many have no 121 pic? no college degree? Remember also, the same guys have applied at every carrier. There aren't 40,000 apps out there. There are 10,000 at 4 major carriers (AA, UniCAL, SWA and dal), and a lot of those same apps are at the LCCs as well.
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Old 12-30-2013 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Except the RJ guys who lose their jobs. Everyone seems to think they'll automatically get a mainline job. In actuality, its MAYBE a 10% shot at best.

It sounds good that DAL is hiring 600 pilots next year. How many apps? 10,000? That's a 6% shot.

UCAL/AA the same number? That's an 18% shot.

Ask yourself this...would you go all-in in a poker tourney if you only had a 6% shot at getting the card you need?
Those are the same 10,000 applications that are on file with every major and low-cost carrier currently hiring.
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Old 12-30-2013 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Except the RJ guys who lose their jobs. Everyone seems to think they'll automatically get a mainline job. In actuality, its MAYBE a 10% shot at best.

It sounds good that DAL is hiring 600 pilots next year. How many apps? 10,000? That's a 6% shot.

UCAL/AA the same number? That's an 18% shot.

Ask yourself this...would you go all-in in a poker tourney if you only had a 6% shot at getting the card you need?
Your equations leave something to be desired...

And I dont even recognize any of the screen names when this topic started. I lurked here since 07.

And much less bickering back then too!
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Old 12-30-2013 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by coryk
Those are the same 10,000 applications that are on file with every major and low-cost carrier currently hiring.

And, thus, we have the problem of too many pilots chasing too few jobs. The 10,000 app answer was the same in 1984, "we have to get hired, they'll run out of pilots". No matter how you slice it, a thin minority, 15% at most, will get mainline legacy jobs. Look who is getting hired now--flows and ex-mil guys with beaucoup squares filled--SQ DO, safety, IP/SEFEs. I've been around since the '70s, it's a small group that gets hired at majors, the rest fly at regionals, corporates, freight ( not FDX, UPS, either).

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