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Old 01-11-2017, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd View Post
I'm going to play devils advocate here. Why not? Especially if a pilot lives local and can take full advantage? Don't give me the "it sets a precedent" answer either. Any attempt by the Company to negotiate less days off than what we have now would be thwarted. It's also highly debatable whether it would hinder us from achieving more. Not in these times and those to come.
Well, there are a couple of reasons not to go over the top when working...
First, don't put yourself in a situation where you could blow your duty hours without realizing it, and suffering repercussions.
Second, I used to work for a company where the Chief Pilot complained at negotiations "we spend $100,000 a year in call-outs for Pilots on their days off" (It was a small company). The union guys response was "well, I know how we can save you $100,000 a year" - In other words - no call-outs, but you'd better hire more Pilots to cover the short fall. That would cost a lot more.
Third, your employer gives you days off to rest, and you are governed by flight and duty time regulations so that you don't operate an aircraft while fatigued. Don't put safety on the line just to get some extra bucks.
Fourth, when it comes to renegotiating your contract and employment conditions, your Company will look at the staffing numbers - if the Pilots are willing to kiss goodbye to their days off for a few bucks, why should they hire more crew?
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Swearingin View Post
Well, there are a couple of reasons not to go over the top when working...
First, don't put yourself in a situation where you could blow your duty hours without realizing it, and suffering repercussions.
Second, I used to work for a company where the Chief Pilot complained at negotiations "we spend $100,000 a year in call-outs for Pilots on their days off" (It was a small company). The union guys response was "well, I know how we can save you $100,000 a year" - In other words - no call-outs, but you'd better hire more Pilots to cover the short fall. That would cost a lot more.
Third, your employer gives you days off to rest, and you are governed by flight and duty time regulations so that you don't operate an aircraft while fatigued. Don't put safety on the line just to get some extra bucks.
Fourth, when it comes to renegotiating your contract and employment conditions, your Company will look at the staffing numbers - if the Pilots are willing to kiss goodbye to their days off for a few bucks, why should they hire more crew?
Some good points made. Fitness to fly is the only one that would deter me from picking up something and reducing days off though. Flight and duty isn't really an issue lately with these schedules. I usually go down to the min 11 off so I can't be JM, but I have and will go lower for the right offering. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I would not fault anyone else for doing the same.
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:28 AM
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Any reason we can't jumpseat home for the weekend during the first 3 weeks?
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:39 AM
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Any reason we can't jumpseat home for the weekend during the first 3 weeks?
I went home the first weekend. If you don't have your id then jumpseating isn't an option. I don't know if anyone in our class actually jumpseated at any point so not sure how long it takes to get you into CASS.
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:44 AM
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I went home the first weekend. If you don't have your id then jumpseating isn't an option. I don't know if anyone in our class actually jumpseated at any point so not sure how long it takes to get you into CASS.
Guess I could always just book flights home and pay for it. How is training going so far for everyone? Is everyone making it through?
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlinesalad View Post
Any reason we can't jumpseat home for the weekend during the first 3 weeks?
You will be able to non rev home anytime you have a break of days off. I'm finishing Dash training and I'm still not in cass. I believe that's once you pass your checkride. I know a guy that goes home every 2 day break we have
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mainlinesalad View Post
Any reason we can't jumpseat home for the weekend during the first 3 weeks?
You can't jump seat until you finish your LOE checkride. If you get caught jumps eating beforehand you and the crew that allowed you to jump seat will be in trouble.

You can non rev in the back all you want.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd View Post
Some good points made. Fitness to fly is the only one that would deter me from picking up something and reducing days off though. Flight and duty isn't really an issue lately with these schedules. I usually go down to the min 11 off so I can't be JM, but I have and will go lower for the right offering. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I would not fault anyone else for doing the same.
I dont think the premium pay will be around for much longer. During my CUT training, upper management was pretty open about how they are aggressively trying to get the airline properly staffed so they don't have to pay the pilots so much. I know some of the bypassed FOs were regularly doing over 10k a month with triple premium and captain pay.

We'll see how long it lasts, i personally have been taking advantage of it while its here.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:52 AM
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I dont think the premium pay will be around for much longer. During my CUT training, upper management was pretty open about how they are aggressively trying to get the airline properly staffed so they don't have to pay the pilots so much. I know some of the bypassed FOs were regularly doing over 10k a month with triple premium and captain pay.

We'll see how long it lasts, i personally have been taking advantage of it while its here.
I don't know.... My next couple of dash trips start with DH's to and from ORF to start and end my trips... that is whiskey work.. And now.. a ton of over nights in SCE/ROC etc... This isn't even summer yet.. wait till the crunch of summer comes.. problem is, if we are properly staffed, someone else isn't and someone is going to have to do the flying. Plus 2/3 145s a month... people transitioning out of the dash.. base closures... its going to buku bucks for a while...

This last storm really tested the reserves.. and we were out of reserves on everything..
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Old 01-11-2017, 11:10 AM
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You will be able to non rev home anytime you have a break of days off. I'm finishing Dash training and I'm still not in cass. I believe that's once you pass your checkride. I know a guy that goes home every 2 day break we have
How are we able to set up the non rev flights? Is it positive space?
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