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08-30-2014 | 06:30 AM
#5401
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[QUOTE=MrObvious;1715815]
It's tough to turn down a "raise". But this will effect the whole industry. Do what you think is best. Good luck.
Yawn! Commutair has the same FO pay scale as you in fact higher first year pay, and yes you are
Oh good point, make sure you go to commutair because they have a higher first year pay rate, anything else better than our contract? Nope, rates on apc are from the old contract our captain rates are about 4-5 dollars higher than that I will post them if you like, plus we have a good contract for all the little things that add up.
If everyone is moving on to the majors anyway than why is everyone so worried about being capped at 95 per hour? That's not even high as our current 25 year pay rate goes and now you're there at 12 and you should be at a major long before that. Are people really crying about that because they want to be at a regional longer than 12 years?? Are you crazy? Even our senior pilots are for this deal and getting capped, our 25 year pay rate right now isn't that high now you're there at 12 but hopefully gone long before that, screw the regionals get your time and get out unless you have multiple duis you can do it. I'm not for this deal cause I don't like the flow, but the pay caps don't bother me that much even if the world crashes I can live on 95 per hour with our contract till I can move on. Don't forget we fly props now not jets this is a pay raise, if we flew jets right now this would be a weak deal but why turn down a pay raise
Oh good point, make sure you go to commutair because they have a higher first year pay rate, anything else better than our contract? Nope, rates on apc are from the old contract our captain rates are about 4-5 dollars higher than that I will post them if you like, plus we have a good contract for all the little things that add up.
If everyone is moving on to the majors anyway than why is everyone so worried about being capped at 95 per hour? That's not even high as our current 25 year pay rate goes and now you're there at 12 and you should be at a major long before that. Are people really crying about that because they want to be at a regional longer than 12 years?? Are you crazy? Even our senior pilots are for this deal and getting capped, our 25 year pay rate right now isn't that high now you're there at 12 but hopefully gone long before that, screw the regionals get your time and get out unless you have multiple duis you can do it. I'm not for this deal cause I don't like the flow, but the pay caps don't bother me that much even if the world crashes I can live on 95 per hour with our contract till I can move on. Don't forget we fly props now not jets this is a pay raise, if we flew jets right now this would be a weak deal but why turn down a pay raise
It's tough to turn down a "raise". But this will effect the whole industry. Do what you think is best. Good luck.
08-30-2014 | 07:18 AM
#5402
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For those that are trying to convince us to vote no, save your breath. It's going to pass by an embarrassingly large margin and there's really nothing you or I can say to change that. The fact that no one on here understood how senior our pilot group is proves to me you know nothing about our pilot group, so in my mind your opinion is worthless. To those saying that if we vote this down we will still have jobs, again you have proven zero knowledge of our pilot group, and the state of the aircraft we operate. So basically what I'm saying is, move on.
P.S., Can you tell your negotiating committee at Envoy to stop trying to take our mainline slots. Thanks.
P.S., Can you tell your negotiating committee at Envoy to stop trying to take our mainline slots. Thanks.
08-30-2014 | 08:10 AM
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Now let's do some math!
Divide 36 by 320= .1125 or 11.25%
Divide 300 by 2650= .1132 or 11.32%
Understand what I'm getting at here? My guess based on your posts is probably not.
08-30-2014 | 08:31 AM
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Funny how they lump republic in as holding the line. Hahaha I remember all those FO's making 30k a year at PDT jumping ship to Republic to fly a shiny 175 for 15k a year? Really? Let the market play it's self out. If our deal is so bad then nobody will come here. They (republic) would jump all over this deal. Don't fool yourself.
08-30-2014 | 08:42 AM
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But if you do the math, because management has, if you are sending 36 a year at AA/US you will never get the one added because you may have hired 125 pilots but sent 36 to AA/US so the overall gain is 89 (125-36). Management will say we only had a gain of 89 on the seniority list not 125. But you know US management better.
08-30-2014 | 09:25 AM
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Here we should be getting 50% of the classes, but in the agreement it says that they can withhold and send a minimum of 20 a month. How much do we lose to AA a month? 20. Don't get your pants wet, flow is for them to hold people in the regional with the hope to go to mainline SOME DAY.
08-30-2014 | 09:32 AM
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PSA will have 900 pilots shortly and we only have 48 going per year.
Either way you look at this. The flow to mainline is only to keep people at the regionals. Mainline management knows that they have gotten away with murder the last 10 years and it is coming to an end. They are scrambling to make sure that the regional jets are staffed.
Again what we need our beloved union to do is get us all a number at mainline today. Then it wouldn't matter when they called you or how many they took in a year. Stay at PDT for 10 years longer but you will have a seat waiting for you at mainline. It seems to be the most logical decision mainline management can make. Unless they offer less and you take it.
Either way you look at this. The flow to mainline is only to keep people at the regionals. Mainline management knows that they have gotten away with murder the last 10 years and it is coming to an end. They are scrambling to make sure that the regional jets are staffed.
Again what we need our beloved union to do is get us all a number at mainline today. Then it wouldn't matter when they called you or how many they took in a year. Stay at PDT for 10 years longer but you will have a seat waiting for you at mainline. It seems to be the most logical decision mainline management can make. Unless they offer less and you take it.
08-30-2014 | 09:33 AM
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I'm not fluent on PDT route structure, but looking at the equipment and just a glance at their route map is one of the reasons I'm very skeptical about 175s at PDT. I think if one takes a very hard look at the TA when it surfaces, one will be able to discern what the plan is.
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