Originally Posted by PilotJ3

There was a LOA proposal that was posted in EL sometime in the beginning of the year. It was a draft for a merger between Envoy and PDT. It had flow thru agreements and other things in it.

Like I said, how much damage would do a 355 people in a merge? Not that much, so for me it would be irrelevant. I rather have PDT guys joining us after a vote no, than bringing subpar wages and higher health care into the JBAC table.

Remember that concessions you give it won't come back, specially in a merger situation.

But that's just my point of view. I understand the "we will close you" sentiment and the fear of losing a job. Last decade it was possible and we saw it. Now this is a different decade, there's not a surplus of pilots going into the regionals.

It's your time to stand like you guys did before, now with the biggest regionals by your side. It's the only way to stop corporate greed.

Again, it's your guys decisions.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

I agree

I've seen that proposed draft LOA and support the principle. Better to integrate than to have a new industry low created. Providing a lifeboat for eachother should be a goal on each ALPA property. I'm pretty sick of being threatened with unemployment while my employer racks up $4 billion a year in profits while demanding concessions from pilots already on food stamps.

I get that it's a pay raise for all at PDT. What I don't get is setting a new industry low rate for an E175 when everybody else is flying them for:

RAH $116 (turned down contract offering $125)
SKW $114
CPZ $107
ENY $106 (same as CRJ700 rate from bankruptcy contract; new rates to be negotiated in 2016 for E175)
MESA $102 (CRJ900 rate is all I could find quickly)

The rate being offered to PDT is essentially the E145 rate at other regionals. .

Originally Posted by Cujo665

I agree

I've seen that proposed draft LOA and support the principle. Better to integrate than to have a new industry low created. Providing a lifeboat for eachother should be a goal on each ALPA property. I'm pretty sick of being threatened with unemployment while my employer racks up $4 billion a year in profits while demanding concessions from pilots already on food stamps.

I get that it's a pay raise for all at PDT. What I don't get is setting a new industry low rate for an E175 when everybody else is flying them for:

RAH $116 (turned down contract offering $125)
SKW $114
CPZ $107
ENY $106 (same as CRJ700 rate from bankruptcy contract; new rates to be negotiated in 2016 for E175)
MESA $102 (CRJ900 rate is all I could find quickly)

The rate being offered to PDT is essentially the E145 rate at other regionals. .

Originally Posted by Cujo665

I agree

I've seen that proposed draft LOA and support the principle. Better to integrate than to have a new industry low created. Providing a lifeboat for eachother should be a goal on each ALPA property. I'm pretty sick of being threatened with unemployment while my employer racks up $4 billion a year in profits while demanding concessions from pilots already on food stamps.

I get that it's a pay raise for all at PDT. What I don't get is setting a new industry low rate for an E175 when everybody else is flying them for:

RAH $116 (turned down contract offering $125)
SKW $114
CPZ $107
ENY $106 (same as CRJ700 rate from bankruptcy contract; new rates to be negotiated in 2016 for E175)
MESA $102 (CRJ900 rate is all I could find quickly)

The rate being offered to PDT is essentially the E145 rate at other regionals. .

Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity

Seems lower.

Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity

Seems lower.

Originally Posted by dash8

here you go



Key Features and Changes:



* Effective upon signing, implement a seniority-based flow up procedure to American/US Airways with a minimum flow of 36 PDT pilots per year. No interview is required, nor are PDT pilots required to have a college degree.

* Establish new minimum fleet size of at least 20 aircraft for a ten-year period to ensure adequate flying for PDT pilots who decline to flow up to mainline.

* Establish new jet rates for 37-44, 45-59 and 60-76 seat aircraft.

* Unless EMB-175 aircraft come to PDT, Dash 8 pay continues to use a 25-year longevity scale with annual increases for the life of the agreement. The Dash 8-300 end rate is $97.18 per hour. The Dash 8-100 end rate is 85.80 per hour.

* If EMB-175 aircraft come to PDT, Captains and First Officers on the EMB-175 and Dash 8 will be capped at 12 and 4 years longevity, respectively, along with the same longevity caps on smaller jets, but pilots above the new maximum longevity scales will be "grandfathered" and remain at their actual longevity pay rate. All pay rates will continue to increase annually for the life of the agreement.

* After jet aircraft are placed in revenue service, daily vacation pay will be 4.2 hours.

* After jet aircraft are placed in revenue service, pilots will start to accrue sick leave at 3.5 hours a month.

* After jet aircraft are placed in revenue service, a Captain (F/O) who completes training in a new Category, won't be awarded another Category for a period of 12 months (24 months for F/O) unless displaced (or permits Captain upgrade for F/O).

* After the 4th jet aircraft is placed in revenue service, pilot contributions for medical coverage will increase. The first year after placement of the 4th aircraft the contribution will be 18% of the premium cost; the second year after placement of the 4th aircraft will be 23%; the third year will be 28%; the fourth year will be 33%; and the sixth year will be 35%.

* Provide different Association options to re-open new agreement over its 10-year duration including, 2018 and 2021 negotiation and private mediation periods.

* American Airlines Group (AAG), American Airlines (AA) and US Airways, Inc. will all sign the Career Opportunities (flow-up) and Aircraft Commitments Letters of Agreement to ensure that they are contractually bound and subject to an arbitration award.

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