sailingfun

I think it more reflects on the candidates they bring in. My understanding is they work very hard, perhaps to hard to get people through. With the flow american has a input on what the minimum performance will be. At least one recent new hire class had a 40% washout rate.

Lvlng4Spd

Usually the case is that the candidate doesn't make it to the check/LOE. The LOFT lessons tend to show if the student lacks the knowledge, authority, and decision making skills to be an effective captain.

mainlinesalad

Sounds like a great way to start off your career. If true that seems to be a training department issue more so than the candidate. It makes sense considering it's a new airplane for the company. There are a lot of other regionals bringining in similar candidates and they don't have wash out rates that high.

Flyjustin

False. That was a dash thing. Basically everyone gets through. IF you make a mistake on MV or LOE you will get re-trained then continue to SOE (you know like AQP)

Theaveragejoker

My entire upgrade class passed (6 of us). Come to class hungry, studied up, and ready to work, you'll be fine.

Wink

This, the training department works VERY hard to get people through training; in some cases giving extra sim time much more liberally than other airlines would. They take the decision to let people go very seriously and it takes a continuous record of lacking situational awareness, disregarding SOPs, or making unsafe decisions. The people I saw get let go from initial were all career change types with very little experience and/or recency in an IFR environment, which will make Dash training difficult where you are inherently task saturated.

In upgrade, you get a very thorough review of systems and procedures which I felt adequately prepared you to make the right decisions in the sim. Some of the scenarios they'll put you in require a bit of critical thinking and its more an excersize of flaws in the checklists and an evaluation of your ability to successful manage the big picture. Slow down, take your time, use effective CRM and you will be just fine. Trust me, if I can do it you can too. This isn't rocket science and they expect you to make mistakes. Just accept them, learn from it and move on. The only "surprise" so to speak was a limitations test on day 1, which shouldn't have been that big of a surprise. If you're a qualified first officer you should already have that down right?

Also, as another poster mentioned these issues are limited to the turboprop. The only person I've heard of who failed jet upgrade busted Dash upgrade and then didn't pass the limitations test in jet upgrade a few months later. Everyone else has done just fine.

For either program, study hard, have a good attitude, be humble and you'll make it through. Cooperate graduate man.

TXPILOT34

Best thing I've ever learned over 10 years ago in flight training. Hasn't "failed" me yet! I'm coming up on an interview in Feb and look forward to working with such a great pilot group!

MKUltra

60% is not correct.. the training dept is way different here now..

AZFlyer

To tag on, the only people I've ever seen not pass training were folks that either legitimately lacked the proper skills and/or experience or did not possess the proper work ethic/attitude towards the training event. OR...some combination of the two of these things.

Everyone that I have encountered in the training department has been helpful and genuinely interested in seeing you pass. But if you don't possess that same interest in yourself, it's going to be harder for them to get you through. There is no funny business going on here that I can see.

mm1989

Just finished Dash training at Piedmont. This is my second airline and was the best training department I've ever trained under.