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Old 01-17-2017 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Theaveragejoker
My entire upgrade class passed (6 of us). Come to class hungry, studied up, and ready to work, you'll be fine.
This, the training department works VERY hard to get people through training; in some cases giving extra sim time much more liberally than other airlines would. They take the decision to let people go very seriously and it takes a continuous record of lacking situational awareness, disregarding SOPs, or making unsafe decisions. The people I saw get let go from initial were all career change types with very little experience and/or recency in an IFR environment, which will make Dash training difficult where you are inherently task saturated.

In upgrade, you get a very thorough review of systems and procedures which I felt adequately prepared you to make the right decisions in the sim. Some of the scenarios they'll put you in require a bit of critical thinking and its more an excersize of flaws in the checklists and an evaluation of your ability to successful manage the big picture. Slow down, take your time, use effective CRM and you will be just fine. Trust me, if I can do it you can too. This isn't rocket science and they expect you to make mistakes. Just accept them, learn from it and move on. The only "surprise" so to speak was a limitations test on day 1, which shouldn't have been that big of a surprise. If you're a qualified first officer you should already have that down right?

Also, as another poster mentioned these issues are limited to the turboprop. The only person I've heard of who failed jet upgrade busted Dash upgrade and then didn't pass the limitations test in jet upgrade a few months later. Everyone else has done just fine.

For either program, study hard, have a good attitude, be humble and you'll make it through. Cooperate graduate man.
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Old 01-17-2017 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Wink
.....Cooperate graduate man.

Best thing I've ever learned over 10 years ago in flight training. Hasn't "failed" me yet! I'm coming up on an interview in Feb and look forward to working with such a great pilot group!
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Old 01-17-2017 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Wink
This, the training department works VERY hard to get people through training; in some cases giving extra sim time much more liberally than other airlines would. They take the decision to let people go very seriously and it takes a continuous record of lacking situational awareness, disregarding SOPs, or making unsafe decisions. The people I saw get let go from initial were all career change types with very little experience and/or recency in an IFR environment, which will make Dash training difficult where you are inherently task saturated.

In upgrade, you get a very thorough review of systems and procedures which I felt adequately prepared you to make the right decisions in the sim. Some of the scenarios they'll put you in require a bit of critical thinking and its more an excersize of flaws in the checklists and an evaluation of your ability to successful manage the big picture. Slow down, take your time, use effective CRM and you will be just fine. Trust me, if I can do it you can too. This isn't rocket science and they expect you to make mistakes. Just accept them, learn from it and move on. The only "surprise" so to speak was a limitations test on day 1, which shouldn't have been that big of a surprise. If you're a qualified first officer you should already have that down right?

Also, as another poster mentioned these issues are limited to the turboprop. The only person I've heard of who failed jet upgrade busted Dash upgrade and then didn't pass the limitations test in jet upgrade a few months later. Everyone else has done just fine.

For either program, study hard, have a good attitude, be humble and you'll make it through. Cooperate graduate man.
60% is not correct.. the training dept is way different here now..
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Old 01-17-2017 | 07:27 AM
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To tag on, the only people I've ever seen not pass training were folks that either legitimately lacked the proper skills and/or experience or did not possess the proper work ethic/attitude towards the training event. OR...some combination of the two of these things.

Everyone that I have encountered in the training department has been helpful and genuinely interested in seeing you pass. But if you don't possess that same interest in yourself, it's going to be harder for them to get you through. There is no funny business going on here that I can see.
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Old 01-17-2017 | 08:25 AM
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Just finished Dash training at Piedmont. This is my second airline and was the best training department I've ever trained under.
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Old 01-17-2017 | 09:34 AM
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100% pass in Jet training indoc/systems/QPT. Our class held study groups including studying with the Captain upgrades. Go to the study groups and apply yourself and you will do just fine. The instructors on the jet are great and they want everyone to get through. Sims get two free add ons and its all AQP.
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Old 01-17-2017 | 09:57 AM
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Everyone gets two round trip positive space tickets from American if you are on property in July 2017. Nice little incentive.
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Old 01-17-2017 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TXPILOT34
Best thing I've ever learned over 10 years ago in flight training. Hasn't "failed" me yet! I'm coming up on an interview in Feb and look forward to working with such a great pilot group!
Hhey TX, when is your interview? I got one coming up on February 7th. Pm me and let me know if you got any additional prep other than airline interviews.com and sheppard air.
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Old 01-17-2017 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer
Everyone gets two round trip positive space tickets from American if you are on property in July 2017. Nice little incentive.
Very nice incentive! Doest it limt to where... domestic, international?
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Old 01-17-2017 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by chopperleo
Very nice incentive! Doest it limt to where... domestic, international?
It does not. There are a few blackout dates, but they are generally limited to the immediate days before and after Christmas, New Years, Easter, and Thanksgiving.
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