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08-30-2014 | 11:10 PM
#5431
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Ok besides the flow which trust me noone cares about that much, this is a healthy pay rate for pdt pilots. It's 15+ dollars an hour for captains.
Captain year 10
Dash 8 - 100 $64 per hour
Dash 8 - 300 (which mdt based pilots don't even fly, our largest base) $69 per hour
Emb 175 $85 per hour
So keep on mind a mdt captain is looking at a 20 dollar an hour raise, just saying that's kinda hard to turn down, even with the detractors in the contract which are mostly negligible I mean lose 1/2 an hour per month of sick pay? Vacation is paid at 4.2 per hour? The only real questionable section is an increase in health care which is already set to increase every year in our current cba? Just wanted to throw this out there would you turn down a pay raise like that?, should we reject it and hope for another couple dollars risking almost certain death in a few years? What kind of gains do we really expect we can get above that if we say no? Probably not a whole lot I think management is pretty set on their end hence it's taken us to almost the end of the line to get a ta finally, unlike psa put NC has been negotiating for a long time, not like we're just taking the first offer and accepting it there has been a lot of sitting at the table with management for years to try and find a decent agreement for jets, just that usually psa undercuts us and takes the first offer from management without any negotiations negating any progress we make. Just my two cents I understand not everyone agrees with this.
Captain year 10
Dash 8 - 100 $64 per hour
Dash 8 - 300 (which mdt based pilots don't even fly, our largest base) $69 per hour
Emb 175 $85 per hour
So keep on mind a mdt captain is looking at a 20 dollar an hour raise, just saying that's kinda hard to turn down, even with the detractors in the contract which are mostly negligible I mean lose 1/2 an hour per month of sick pay? Vacation is paid at 4.2 per hour? The only real questionable section is an increase in health care which is already set to increase every year in our current cba? Just wanted to throw this out there would you turn down a pay raise like that?, should we reject it and hope for another couple dollars risking almost certain death in a few years? What kind of gains do we really expect we can get above that if we say no? Probably not a whole lot I think management is pretty set on their end hence it's taken us to almost the end of the line to get a ta finally, unlike psa put NC has been negotiating for a long time, not like we're just taking the first offer and accepting it there has been a lot of sitting at the table with management for years to try and find a decent agreement for jets, just that usually psa undercuts us and takes the first offer from management without any negotiations negating any progress we make. Just my two cents I understand not everyone agrees with this.
Just saying, you will get down the industry just for a pay raise that is below industry standard, other than PSA.
08-31-2014 | 12:43 AM
#5433
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"All I say is that we at Envoy would help PDT if there's a merger if you guys hold the line." Please quantify exactly what "help" we might anticipate?
Like I said, how much damage would do a 355 people in a merge? Not that much, so for me it would be irrelevant. I rather have PDT guys joining us after a vote no, than bringing subpar wages and higher health care into the JBAC table.
Remember that concessions you give it won't come back, specially in a merger situation.
But that's just my point of view. I understand the "we will close you" sentiment and the fear of losing a job. Last decade it was possible and we saw it. Now this is a different decade, there's not a surplus of pilots going into the regionals.
It's your time to stand like you guys did before, now with the biggest regionals by your side. It's the only way to stop corporate greed.
Again, it's your guys decisions.
08-31-2014 | 04:11 AM
#5434
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There was a LOA proposal that was posted in EL sometime in the beginning of the year. It was a draft for a merger between Envoy and PDT. It had flow thru agreements and other things in it.
Like I said, how much damage would do a 355 people in a merge? Not that much, so for me it would be irrelevant. I rather have PDT guys joining us after a vote no, than bringing subpar wages and higher health care into the JBAC table.
Remember that concessions you give it won't come back, specially in a merger situation.
But that's just my point of view. I understand the "we will close you" sentiment and the fear of losing a job. Last decade it was possible and we saw it. Now this is a different decade, there's not a surplus of pilots going into the regionals.
It's your time to stand like you guys did before, now with the biggest regionals by your side. It's the only way to stop corporate greed.
Again, it's your guys decisions.
Like I said, how much damage would do a 355 people in a merge? Not that much, so for me it would be irrelevant. I rather have PDT guys joining us after a vote no, than bringing subpar wages and higher health care into the JBAC table.
Remember that concessions you give it won't come back, specially in a merger situation.
But that's just my point of view. I understand the "we will close you" sentiment and the fear of losing a job. Last decade it was possible and we saw it. Now this is a different decade, there's not a surplus of pilots going into the regionals.
It's your time to stand like you guys did before, now with the biggest regionals by your side. It's the only way to stop corporate greed.
Again, it's your guys decisions.
08-31-2014 | 05:32 AM
#5435
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From: EMB-145 CA
Funny how they lump republic in as holding the line. Hahaha I remember all those FO's making 30k a year at PDT jumping ship to Republic to fly a shiny 175 for 15k a year? Really? Let the market play it's self out. If our deal is so bad then nobody will come here. They (republic) would jump all over this deal. Don't fool yourself.
Don't fool yourself into thinking our 7 year old contract is something we're happy with. You're "TA" hurts our ability to get what we deserve. You can get more by sticking with the rest of us, because you will see hiring is hard enough that many of the promises are as empty as the classes will be.
08-31-2014 | 06:04 AM
#5436
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From: Reverse Cowgirl
I understand the pressure on PDT pilots right now. That pay scale is toooo low though.
I don' think many new hires will fall for that flowthrough though. Let's say you're the first one hired. At 3 per month it will still take many many years to flow. Even considering not everyone will flow as a lot will go to other airlines.
There will always be a few though. Those outstation bases will probably close.
I think the best we can hope for here at Envoy is that they won't get the hiring numbers they hope to.
They obviously want the airline to keep running so turning down the first deal thrown at you is a gamble but I think appropriate.
I don' think many new hires will fall for that flowthrough though. Let's say you're the first one hired. At 3 per month it will still take many many years to flow. Even considering not everyone will flow as a lot will go to other airlines.
There will always be a few though. Those outstation bases will probably close.
I think the best we can hope for here at Envoy is that they won't get the hiring numbers they hope to.
They obviously want the airline to keep running so turning down the first deal thrown at you is a gamble but I think appropriate.
08-31-2014 | 06:08 AM
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I understand the pressure on PDT pilots right now. That pay scale is toooo low though.
I don' think many new hires will fall for that flowthrough though. Let's say you're the first one hired. At 3 per month it will still take many many years to flow. Even considering not everyone will flow as a lot will go to other airlines.
There will always be a few though. Those outstation bases will probably close.
I think the best we can hope for here at Envoy is that they won't get the hiring numbers they hope to.
They obviously want the airline to keep running so turning down the first deal thrown at you is a gamble but I think appropriate.
I don' think many new hires will fall for that flowthrough though. Let's say you're the first one hired. At 3 per month it will still take many many years to flow. Even considering not everyone will flow as a lot will go to other airlines.
There will always be a few though. Those outstation bases will probably close.
I think the best we can hope for here at Envoy is that they won't get the hiring numbers they hope to.
They obviously want the airline to keep running so turning down the first deal thrown at you is a gamble but I think appropriate.
08-31-2014 | 06:12 AM
#5438
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We would vote that down at roughly 85%, again.
Don't fool yourself into thinking our 7 year old contract is something we're happy with. You're "TA" hurts our ability to get what we deserve. You can get more by sticking with the rest of us, because you will see hiring is hard enough that many of the promises are as empty as the classes will be.
Don't fool yourself into thinking our 7 year old contract is something we're happy with. You're "TA" hurts our ability to get what we deserve. You can get more by sticking with the rest of us, because you will see hiring is hard enough that many of the promises are as empty as the classes will be.
Sorry but any Republic person crying about making 15k a year in the right seat, No Cx pay, crazy insurance cost can go pound sand!!! You knew what you were getting into when you took that crappy job. Pllllllleeeeaseeee Sell it to someone else.
08-31-2014 | 06:51 AM
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$90/hr top out to fly a 175? Ygtbsm! That is just an insult. They are hoping the PDT guys are looking at it as just a raise rather than what it really is - Flying large RKs for PSA peanuts. This will set a new low bar for the industry, set by 350 pilots no less. Please PDT, stand with everyone else!
08-31-2014 | 06:56 AM
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From: Reverse Cowgirl
That's why airlines are unionized. New hires will go about anywhere. When one group builds up the industry by banding together then another offers something the newer people/weak pilots are "willing to put up with" it hurts everyone. So yes.. new hires will probably come but that doesn't mean it's a good deal.
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