There will eventually be consolidations. We don't want the planes nor should you. They need to be placed at mainline not the regionals. Look at the big picture. Do you rather flow in 2 years or 5 ?

 

It sounds like the voting majority of PDT aren't interested in flowing, just completing their remaining years in peace without having to take a paycut at mainline.

I'm curious as to how the top 100 pilots at PDT feel about merging with Envoy?

 

Not so fast. I've come across 30 year guys that are actually interested in flowing over the past week. There is a bit of a renaissance over this TA. Its refreshing to be honest.

 

Would you agree that AA is asking for 12/4 from all its regional affiliates to merge them? I can't think of any other reason other than that they know FO upgrade times will be extreme.

 

Ok besides the flow which trust me noone cares about that much, this is a healthy pay rate for pdt pilots. It's 15+ dollars an hour for captains.

Captain year 10
Dash 8 - 100 $64 per hour
Dash 8 - 300 (which mdt based pilots don't even fly, our largest base) $69 per hour
Emb 175 $85 per hour

So keep on mind a mdt captain is looking at a 20 dollar an hour raise, just saying that's kinda hard to turn down, even with the detractors in the contract which are mostly negligible I mean lose 1/2 an hour per month of sick pay? Vacation is paid at 4.2 per hour? The only real questionable section is an increase in health care which is already set to increase every year in our current cba? Just wanted to throw this out there would you turn down a pay raise like that?, should we reject it and hope for another couple dollars risking almost certain death in a few years? What kind of gains do we really expect we can get above that if we say no? Probably not a whole lot I think management is pretty set on their end hence it's taken us to almost the end of the line to get a ta finally, unlike psa put NC has been negotiating for a long time, not like we're just taking the first offer and accepting it there has been a lot of sitting at the table with management for years to try and find a decent agreement for jets, just that usually psa undercuts us and takes the first offer from management without any negotiations negating any progress we make. Just my two cents I understand not everyone agrees with this.

 

Just imagine if DAL hired 200 guys from PSA in two months. What would that do to AAG's feed? They would be canceling left and right.

Same goes for UAL. Hire 200 guys from Endeavor in two months. Heads would be spinning.

Sounds crazy? Welcome to 2016, it's going to happen and there aren't going to be guys around left to fly at the commuter level by the end of the decade.

 

Uhm, question... What do you mean by "if things become good"???
What would you consider >$1,500,000,000.00 net profit per quarter? There is NO need for any regional in this country to agree to concessions of any kind whatsoever. If we can't finally reverse this continual downward trend now, then when will we?

 

Forget the math pal. The fact is with the current offer you will NOT be able to staff your airline. And as a result what you now are being "promised" WILL be withheld. We're all be watching. Good luck

 

If your pilot group is so "senior", there should be some there that remember when pattern bargaining meant that each pilot group tried to improve upon the current best contract of their peers.
Now you guys have apparently all been brainwashed by management into believing that you better sign off on the first crummy concessionary contract that they offer or it's lights out.
Hasn't your "senior" pilot group seen this same B/S by management time after time? They're making BILLIONS not millions in profit per quarter and they need concessions of any sort, really???
They have used the "doom and gloom" tactics with every single pilot group in every single attempt at getting concessions. That's just one of their many Smith and Henderson directed "negotiating tactics".
We finally have age 65, 117, and the new ATP rules on our side...
Please, don't throw this opportunity to tell Dougie NO away(along with your fellow flight crews at Envoy, Silver, Republic and Expressjet that have already voted NO)!

 

Don't know if this is serious or not, BUT....

Henson, later PDT, was/is a pretty top drawer outfit, especially in the late 80's. Good company, good equipment, good bases and a mature ALPA contract. Paid medical, a 'A' fund, and heck, even crew meals.

PDT's difference with many regionals was that a far larger proportion of it's pilot group were long term guys. There were MANY guys who came out of 20 in the military, and wanted to settle in or around their former bases or fair weather locals (TPA, JAX, etc) and not commute. Others liked the low cost basing options (EWN & LYH). In any event, people were not likely to leave unless they had something really rock solid lined up that was better.

After 1992 or so, USAir started outsourcing the outsourcing, and the fun-ride at PDT was coming to an end. I think the last "true" growth aircraft arrived in early 1993 (-100s, 97XHA aircraft, I think). The contract remained, and was even slightly improved upon in 1993, but upgrade time was 4 years. With the recession, by 1998, upgrade times had spiraled past 5 years. Even when the -200s arrived in 1995, 10 aircraft got shipped to ALG to make sure that PDT remained the same size.

Don't get me wrong, ALG had their own set of problems, and got hit hard with the nerf bat in 1993 as well, with the loss of nearly half their airline (1900s & Shorts ops sold off)

PDTs problem was always two-fold....to have a reasonable upgrade times, in comparison to your contemporaries, you needed growth or attrition. Some places had both going for them. But PDT had neither. Things were always "good enough" that people just stayed unless they were really motivated. I flew with folks all the time that were really comfy. Captains had their townhouse on the water in EWN, 10 minute drive to the airport, parking right next to the gate, making some coin, not working TOO hard, and heck, maybe even a small boat to fish from. What's not to like?

The loss of the "Florida flying" and the merger with ALG caused it's own set of problems, but that was after my time there. Maybe someone else can fill in that part.

Nu