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Old 06-22-2016 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho
I wouldn't be surprised. Seems like they tried to get this program together without the help of any outside vendor. Kinda like trying to get a 145 program from a Cracker Jacks Box.

This along with brutal schedules and worn out planes I'm not surprised. Plus people filling out ASAP reports for any little stupid reason can set off the FAA.

If this is true it's going to be very interesting.
BS, I can assure you that's not how ASAP works.
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Old 06-22-2016 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by eschukos
BS, I can assure you that's not how ASAP works.
Dude if you don't think so you're blind. If you kept speeding down a highway and didn't get caught but kept filling out ASAP reports for it I can guarantee you it would perk the cops interest.
Don't fool yourself. ASAP is a great program but not one to be abused.
I could be wrong but I find it hard to believe.
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Old 06-22-2016 | 11:31 AM
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The FAA doesn't "shut down" programs based on the number ASAP reports filed. ASAP is not purely used as a get out of jail free, cover your ass program. It's used for to gather safety related data.
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Old 06-22-2016 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace
The FAA doesn't "shut down" programs based on the number ASAP reports filed. ASAP is not purely used as a get out of jail free, cover your ass program. It's used for to gather safety related data.
Yes I agree. I'm just saying it can get the FAA's attention. Then again all our fatigue reports didn't matter😜
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Old 06-22-2016 | 11:35 AM
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That being said someone told me out of 2,000 ERJ flights over 50% cancelled. Is that true?
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Old 06-22-2016 | 12:07 PM
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The FAA says that no certificate action will be taken against anyone that makes an honest mistake and files an ASAP.

The idea, though, is to compile data and look for larger safety problems. Once those safety problems are identified, they take action based on them. That is how it works. In fact, that is the only way that it works.

If there are 100 reports about the arrivals into DCA, they will look at them and try to figure out the cause. Is it the arrival that is broken? Is it training? Is it VNAV equipment? Once causes are identified, they try to fix them.

If there are 100 reports because people at a particular company are having difficulty due to poor training, poor systems, or bad equipment, the FAA will look at that company and try to figure out what it needs to do to fix the problem. More or specialized training - maybe. Different OpSpecs - maybe? Require a different person to monitor the training program - maybe.

The ASAP reports are not simply a "get out of jail free" card. Not at all. They are a means that the FAA can collect real safety data to improve the overall system.
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Old 06-22-2016 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
The FAA says that no certificate action will be taken against anyone that makes an honest mistake and files an ASAP.

The idea, though, is to compile data and look for larger safety problems. Once those safety problems are identified, they take action based on them. That is how it works. In fact, that is the only way that it works.

If there are 100 reports about the arrivals into DCA, they will look at them and try to figure out the cause. Is it the arrival that is broken? Is it training? Is it VNAV equipment? Once causes are identified, they try to fix them.

If there are 100 reports because people at a particular company are having difficulty due to poor training, poor systems, or bad equipment, the FAA will look at that company and try to figure out what it needs to do to fix the problem. More or specialized training - maybe. Different OpSpecs - maybe? Require a different person to monitor the training program - maybe.

The ASAP reports are not simply a "get out of jail free" card. Not at all. They are a means that the FAA can collect real safety data to improve the overall system.
Cool thanks. My friend at Alligiant seems to think many of their ASAPS have got the FAA's attention.
Basing it on that.
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Old 06-22-2016 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Dude if you don't think so you're blind. If you kept speeding down a highway and didn't get caught but kept filling out ASAP reports for it I can guarantee you it would perk the cops interest.
Don't fool yourself. ASAP is a great program but not one to be abused.
I could be wrong but I find it hard to believe.
Clearly you don't understand the program. You should contact your safety rep. I'm sure he will be glad to expane the program to you. ;-)
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Old 06-23-2016 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by eschukos
Clearly you don't understand the program. You should contact your safety rep. I'm sure he will be glad to expane the program to you. ;-)
can i asap being late to work? or maybe the undercooked pizza in the D concourse at sbarro?
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Old 06-23-2016 | 06:55 AM
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Guys, thinking about making the switch from senior FO at AWAC to PDT, what to expect? Heard the ERJ's stopped coming?how is family health insurance?
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