American Eagle hiring minimums
10-06-2008, 05:22 PM
#21
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I can echo much of what the more experienced people have already said. I was one of the guys that got hired by eagle and was sent to an RJ class. When I went, I had 550TT/50ME. I was the HIGHEST time guy in the RJ class, and the only CFI/CFII, 250 dual given at the time. This may scare some of the older guys, but the lowest time guy was 210TT/100ME.
I would highly recommend instructing for a while. You don't really know the material until you can teach it. And you'll REALLY know it when you can teach the same concept 5 different ways. The industry now just is not demanding pilots, even CFI jobs are hard to come by.
-Instruct, learn how to teach and grow in knowledge.
-Fly freight, test your limits and practice what you taught.
-Then go the airlines and transport people safely.
Three pieces of advice given to me by a wise man once:
Persistance is key
Never stop learning
Realize that you'll never have a career in aviaion, just a series of "gigs."
I would highly recommend instructing for a while. You don't really know the material until you can teach it. And you'll REALLY know it when you can teach the same concept 5 different ways. The industry now just is not demanding pilots, even CFI jobs are hard to come by.
-Instruct, learn how to teach and grow in knowledge.
-Fly freight, test your limits and practice what you taught.
-Then go the airlines and transport people safely.
Three pieces of advice given to me by a wise man once:
Persistance is key
Never stop learning
Realize that you'll never have a career in aviaion, just a series of "gigs."
Last edited by BoilerWings; 10-06-2008 at 07:30 PM. Reason: insert foot in mouth
10-06-2008, 05:27 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Led Zep
The upgrade was at least 2-3 years. And just about every major had people on furlough and nobody seemed to be hiring.
That is more what normal is. Getting hired right out of flight school and into the right seat of a jet is not the normal scenario. In fact, those days will probably never return.
That is more what normal is. Getting hired right out of flight school and into the right seat of a jet is not the normal scenario. In fact, those days will probably never return.
Ok, I think my ride on the soap box is over, now that I sound like a self righteous a-hole! Just a little frustration I've learned as a CFI. Long story short there is no substitute for experience!
10-06-2008, 06:50 PM
#23
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[quote=Seven Left;474463]I think 2000TT to be competitive is a bit of a grim outlook, though (for regionals).[quote]
This is not the first time in history that regional mins are that high. When I was in flight school, my instructors had 3-5k hrs; those guys were just starting to get picked up by the regionals.
To say that things will settle down here soon is more Unrealistic. Whith the economy taking a nose dive and the pric of gas still relativley high, change is further down the road than you might think. 2000 hrs seems like along timeto teach, and it is, but that will onl make you that much more of a better pilot when regionals start hirring again. Not to mention that when that day comes you will that much more competitive.
Sorry to be such a downer.
Keep at it, with all the people leaving the industry, I suspect another pilot shortage...when things do pickup.
This is not the first time in history that regional mins are that high. When I was in flight school, my instructors had 3-5k hrs; those guys were just starting to get picked up by the regionals.
Originally Posted by Seven Left
I just didn't (and still don't) expect to have to flight instruct to the point of getting near 2000 hours to be seriously considered for a job in the right seat. Perhaps I'm optimistic, but I think things will settle down again here real soon. Until then, I'm looking at anything I can do to build time. Thanks again for the input.
Sorry to be such a downer.
Keep at it, with all the people leaving the industry, I suspect another pilot shortage...when things do pickup.
10-06-2008, 07:05 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by BoilerWings
I can echo much of what the more experienced people have already said. I was one of the guys that got hired by eagle and was sent to an RJ class. When I went, I had 550TT/50ME. I was the HIGHEST time guy in the RJ class, and the only CFI/CFII, 250 dual given at the time. This may scare some of the older guys, but the lowest time guy was 210TT/100ME.
I would highly recommend instructing for a while. You don't really know the material until you can teach it. And you'll REALLY know it when you can teach the same concept 5 different ways. The industry now just is not demanding pilots, even CFI jobs are hard to come by.
-Instruct, learn how to teach and grow in knowledge.
-Fly freight, test your limits and practice what you taught.
-Then go the airlines and transport people safely.
Three pieces of advice given to me by a wise man once:
Persistance is key
Never stop learning
Realize that you'll never have a career in aviaion, just a series of "gigs."
I would highly recommend instructing for a while. You don't really know the material until you can teach it. And you'll REALLY know it when you can teach the same concept 5 different ways. The industry now just is not demanding pilots, even CFI jobs are hard to come by.
-Instruct, learn how to teach and grow in knowledge.
-Fly freight, test your limits and practice what you taught.
-Then go the airlines and transport people safely.
Three pieces of advice given to me by a wise man once:
Persistance is key
Never stop learning
Realize that you'll never have a career in aviaion, just a series of "gigs."
Last edited by WmuGrad07; 10-06-2008 at 07:41 PM. Reason: Helping a friend take his foot out of mouth :)
10-06-2008, 07:28 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by WmuGrad07
Being one of the Eagle hires in your CRJ class you didn't have to teach me regs, holds, jepps, or any of the basic flying things, however everyone was working on the systems like mad and you had them down the best. I was just as good flying the plane, and at 540tt/53me at the time (nothing to brag about) I too had to teach my sim partner basic IFR flying among other things. By the end of the course I was comfortable flying the plane, and knew the systems as in depth as I could at RAA.
I would have been perfectly fine working on the line with my time, however I am now 'Paying my (freak'n) dues' by flight instructing. My experience building time was all single pilot flying all over the US in busy airspace, with some solo ifr flying. Now that I'm teaching I just have to know everything better than I had before, and I don't get all the bravo/restricted airspace time. It is very interesting teaching but I still wish I actually went to class at Eagle.
I would have been perfectly fine working on the line with my time, however I am now 'Paying my (freak'n) dues' by flight instructing. My experience building time was all single pilot flying all over the US in busy airspace, with some solo ifr flying. Now that I'm teaching I just have to know everything better than I had before, and I don't get all the bravo/restricted airspace time. It is very interesting teaching but I still wish I actually went to class at Eagle.
10-06-2008, 07:38 PM
#26
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whos more experienced:
Pilot A; instructed till 3000/500 hours then got on with a regional and is now at 5000/2500 2000 ME turbine
or
Pilot B; got on with a wet comm at 250/50 at a regional and is not at 5000/4800 and 3750 ME turbine
don't mean it to be flamebait but it prolly is...just a question that a check airmen posed to me...after he said "its all just relative to the industry, think about it"
p.s. I was also one hired (520/70) by AE and went to the jet course in the ERJ sim I was the lowest time (500-1700) everyone did fine and no one had a problem with anything...take it as you want
Pilot A; instructed till 3000/500 hours then got on with a regional and is now at 5000/2500 2000 ME turbine
or
Pilot B; got on with a wet comm at 250/50 at a regional and is not at 5000/4800 and 3750 ME turbine
don't mean it to be flamebait but it prolly is...just a question that a check airmen posed to me...after he said "its all just relative to the industry, think about it"
p.s. I was also one hired (520/70) by AE and went to the jet course in the ERJ sim I was the lowest time (500-1700) everyone did fine and no one had a problem with anything...take it as you want
10-06-2008, 08:14 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by The Juice
It will allow you to be all set up for some time instructing. You would have been hard presses to find a job with 250TT before the fall out, now there is no chance. Even the places that are hiring want 1000TT min and those are just the minumums. There are furloughed pilots with 2000+TT with real CRJ 200 time, not just a standards course.
Seriously, no chance...sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Not to be a jerk but I do have to say as well, with 250 hours you should be more concerned with developing your pilot skills as an instructor and realize you have a lot to learn before hopping into a jet.
Seriously, no chance...sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Not to be a jerk but I do have to say as well, with 250 hours you should be more concerned with developing your pilot skills as an instructor and realize you have a lot to learn before hopping into a jet.
Granted that times are tough and few airlines are hiring, but we've had many pilots at Mesaba with less than 300 hours and they did well in the CRJ-200, CRJ-900, and the Saab340 classes.
You have impressive number of ME hours for your total time. Besides, many pilots with your number of hours had been hired to fly for major airlines all over the world so don't let this concern you.
Of course you'd find so many pilots here who somehow think that there's a 'magic' number of hours that qualify you to fly a HP Twin, Turboprop, a regional jet, or bigger jet.
Good Luck.
10-06-2008, 08:25 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by BoilerWings
I can echo much of what the more experienced people have already said. I was one of the guys that got hired by eagle and was sent to an RJ class. When I went, I had 550TT/50ME. I was the HIGHEST time guy in the RJ class, and the only CFI/CFII, 250 dual given at the time. This may scare some of the older guys, but the lowest time guy was 210TT/100ME.
Originally Posted by BoilerWings
I would highly recommend instructing for a while. You don't really know the material until you can teach it. And you'll REALLY know it when you can teach the same concept 5 different ways. The industry now just is not demanding pilots, even CFI jobs are hard to come by.
-Instruct, learn how to teach and grow in knowledge.
-Fly freight, test your limits and practice what you taught.
-Then go the airlines and transport people safely.
Three pieces of advice given to me by a wise man once:
Persistance is key
Never stop learning
Realize that you'll never have a career in aviaion, just a series of "gigs."
I disagree with this whole post. Honestly, teaching as a CFI does not have much in common with regional or major airline flying or the airliners. This concept of logging many hundred of hours instructing only exists here in the US. I have seen CFI who have thousands of hours of dual given time totally flunk out of airline program on the other hand I have personally attended classes with few who never instructed, had low time, and did just fine in turboprop and/or turbofan classes.
Flying freight…well, you need over 1200 hours to even be qualified to fly freight. By that time, you’d have almost 900 hours of turbine time with an airline.
And there’s nothing to be scary about 210 hours of Total Time. I can give you an example of a 250 hour pilot who was hired and trained on a B-757. Perhaps it’s time that we all get off this bandwagon of low-time vs high-time.
10-06-2008, 08:28 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by Max Glide
If I were you, I won't listen to Juice.
Granted that times are tough and few airlines are hiring, but we've had many pilots at Mesaba with less than 300 hours and they did well in the CRJ-200, CRJ-900, and the Saab340 classes.
You have impressive number of ME hours for your total time. Besides, many pilots with your number of hours had been hired to fly for major airlines all over the world so don't let this concern you.
Of course you'd find so many pilots here who somehow think that there's a 'magic' number of hours that qualify you to fly a HP Twin, Turboprop, a regional jet, or bigger jet.
Good Luck.
Granted that times are tough and few airlines are hiring, but we've had many pilots at Mesaba with less than 300 hours and they did well in the CRJ-200, CRJ-900, and the Saab340 classes.
You have impressive number of ME hours for your total time. Besides, many pilots with your number of hours had been hired to fly for major airlines all over the world so don't let this concern you.
Of course you'd find so many pilots here who somehow think that there's a 'magic' number of hours that qualify you to fly a HP Twin, Turboprop, a regional jet, or bigger jet.
Good Luck.
Before I respond was this post serious or was it scarsam? I PRAY the latter. If not, Nice to meet you IM FROM EARTH. WHAT----- PLANET ---- ARE --- YOU --- FROM?
Although thank you for the laugh
"IMPRESSIVE NUMBER OF ME HOURS"
10-06-2008, 08:31 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by Max Glide
I disagree with this whole post. Honestly, teaching as a CFI does not have much in common with regional or major airline flying or the airliners. This concept of logging many hundred of hours instructing only exists here in the US. I have seen CFI who have thousands of hours of dual given time totally flunk out of airline program on the other hand I have personally attended classes with few who never instructed, had low time, and did just fine in turboprop and/or turbofan classes.
Flying freight…well, you need over 1200 hours to even be qualified to fly freight. By that time, you’d have almost 900 hours of turbine time with an airline.
And there’s nothing to be scary about 210 hours of Total Time. I can give you an example of a 250 hour pilot who was hired and trained on a B-757. Perhaps it’s time that we all get off this bandwagon of low-time vs high-time.
IM ON FIRE HERE!!!!!! FLAME FLAME FLAME
Self edit... No need for an infraction.
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