Sorry to hear about your Father, I can't imagine what your going through. I agree we are all "in this together", however, flying for GoJets is showing a complete disregard for those who didnt let management walk all over them, it also proved to EVERY airline management out there that if your pilot group won't bend over, well just start an alter-ego and starry-eyed pilots will glady apply, not only flying large equipment for low pay, but literally putting guys on the street and bringing down the profession. Am I going to go out of my way and threaten a GoJet pilot? No but when I see em in the terminal and they look my way, I like to give em a little look of disgust, they disgust me, what they stand for, what they are willing to do, its just "not becoming of a professional aviator". Life is short so I agree holding grudges may be childish, but in my eyes its more pitiful to work for GoJets.........

I cringe everytime I heat "Lindberg" on the radio.................

 

I agree with all of this, but the thing is that they arent willing to work for less anymore. Their pay is very close if not equal with other companies.

I agree there are many part of the equation, but as an outsider looking in, it doesnt look that bad (except for how bad other people treat you). I do agree that working for Hulas is something you should stay away from though.. haha

 

You cannot use past upgrade times as a method of comparing the good and bad points of different companies and expect people to take what you are saying seriously.

Upgrade time at Compass was immediate when it started -- as any startup airline experiences. But what is the upgrade time for someone being taken out of the Compass pool and put into class next week? One year? Two? Five years?

Upgrade time at ExpressJet for those hired in 2005 was as rapid as 18 months. But what about someone hired in summer 2007 that's furloughed right now? They are most likely not going to see upgrade for another five, six, perhaps eight years depending on what goes on.

So I think we can all agree that comparing upgrade times of those hired one, two, maybe four years ago is ludicrous as the pilot group has no control over it and the company may not either, if the company is a vendor for a mainline carrier.

Next you bring up furloughs.

Kind of daring to use that in the comparison too, don't you think? ExpressJet has 350 on furlough right now but if Delta decides that it needs to cut back 5-10% of its workforce then guess how many Compass might have on furlough a year and half from now? Just as many as ExpressJet. What would happen to your upgrade time comparison then?

You bring up flowthrough to mainline.

Do you really think that Delta, who in times of hiring, incorporates a multi-day interview to include MMPI, a technical exam, HR board, a visit to a psychologist, and a medical exam is going to all of a sudden open the doors to a pilot group with no restrictions whatsoever? That could actually happen. But if you think the flowthrough is guaranteed to happen as advertised, think again. It can change with a quick LOA to get rid of it both ways and suddenly, the third and final thing you've used to compare airlines is gone like the other two.

You mention the payscale and draft pay for junior manning. That is at ExpressJet too, in addition to dozens of other airlines. It is expected.

 

Its all about whats happening now.And if there is a flowdown,lets remember, we are short on pilots so there would not be as many of us on th street as xjt.
And all the xjt guys here seem to be pretty happy.
So bringing up scales in the first place was kinda unnecessary.

 

Man you missed the point all together; the reason companies like compass have a 50 seat payscale on a 70+ aircraft is because alterego companies like Freedom A and gojets set the stage for lowering the bar. TSA just wanted better pay on the 70 seaters...enter gojets. Mesa wanted better pay on the 70+ seaters...enter Freeedom A, forget the fact that they circumvented an existing contract, forget the fact that many lost their jobs, it's the damage they caused the industry.

 

It proved that if people wont bend over backwards for you, you gotta find people that will. If my poolboy feels he isnt getting paid enough to pick up rocks from the bottom and says he won't do it, im gonna find another poolboy...simple as that.Now if the Association of Poolboys doesn't like that...why would i care? Its all about cheap labor, how do regoinals get contracts with majors? Ill tell you, by being the lowest bidder.Its all about money we don't make it, because that would defeat the purpose of having a regoinal.
A look of disgust?Cmon...really? So if Megan Fox used her transformers money to go to ATP and came t work for GJ u would give her a look of disgust?
A Professional Aviator flies airplanes, Character while a part of being a personable pilot, is on a playing field of its own.
Lets say I lose my job tommorow, I have 2 kids and 1 on the way...If i get hired by GJ you wont give me a ride home or to work?

 

Starbucks pays 30% more than year 1 gojets f/o, and you get the satisfaction of being home every night and not stabbing your brothers in the back; and the answer to your question is NO! There is simply no way to justify going to work for an alter-ego.

 

What you are forgetting bond is that even places like starbucks arent hiring. The job market as a whole sucks. Sometimes you gotta take a job you dont like to weather the storm and a better one comes along, but unemployment is not gonna put food on the table for a family of 4...

 

Give me the market and I'll give you the job listing. Starbucks not hiring? Wow now that is funny!

Starbucks Homepage

 

They will always accept applications, hiring is another thing. I used to own a printing company and would always take applications, as for hiring we didnt do much of that beacuse the guys stayed there for a while, I think in 5 years and 15 workers only 2 or 3 quit, and that was after a full year of working.

And as a side note, I cant tell from your "Wow now that is funny" comment that you don't have a family, thats not funny at all especially to those people that dont have jobs. And you might wanna change your hat size, to one that fits your ego, maybe a 16 3/4 should work.