The wheels are coming off at Pinnacle
12-30-2008, 02:39 PM
#121
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Any idea what's driving the need for the displacements? Your fleet size isn't radically changing... in fact it's growing. Did they just upgrade too many in anticipation of attrition or something? Seems kinda odd doesn't it? Or is this "you're in contract negotiations games?"
12-30-2008, 03:40 PM
#122
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Originally Posted by bored
Any idea what's driving the need for the displacements? Your fleet size isn't radically changing... in fact it's growing. Did they just upgrade too many in anticipation of attrition or something? Seems kinda odd doesn't it? Or is this "you're in contract negotiations games?"
By the way, anyone that's about to refute that needs to go look at the CEO yahoo financials for both companies. It's in black and white.
I'm sure the negotiations play a factor in this as well, but ultimately it's just 30 captains going back to $20,000/year so that upper management can make a few extra bucks on their bonuses.
12-30-2008, 06:22 PM
#123
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Originally Posted by Noseeums
Because that's the way Phil Trenary chooses to run an airline. He makes his big bucks based off of bonuses that can only be met with a skeleton labor group with **** poor pay; whereas, a CEO like SkyWest's makes his big bucks by investing in his own company. What a new and radical idea. Pinnacle has no interest in having a quality service.
By the way, anyone that's about to refute that needs to go look at the CEO yahoo financials for both companies. It's in black and white.
I'm sure the negotiations play a factor in this as well, but ultimately it's just 30 captains going back to $20,000/year so that upper management can make a few extra bucks on their bonuses.
By the way, anyone that's about to refute that needs to go look at the CEO yahoo financials for both companies. It's in black and white.
I'm sure the negotiations play a factor in this as well, but ultimately it's just 30 captains going back to $20,000/year so that upper management can make a few extra bucks on their bonuses.
Gonna be a lot of street Capts back in the rightseat, and when and if they open upgrades back up (who knows when) they will be a long way off from holding the leftseat again any time soon...
The other thing is... we will do nothing about this either... im sure our unity will have 9E #1 in ontime performance in JAN and FEB. So that Phil and the boys get a double bonus.
This place just makes me laugh day after day
12-30-2008, 07:20 PM
#124
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Originally Posted by PCLCREW
Gonna be a lot of street Capts back in the rightseat, and when and if they open upgrades back up (who knows when) they will be a long way off from holding the leftseat again any time soon...
The other thing is... we will do nothing about this either... im sure our unity will have 9E #1 in ontime performance in JAN and FEB. So that Phil and the boys get a double bonus.
This place just makes me laugh day after day
The other thing is... we will do nothing about this either... im sure our unity will have 9E #1 in ontime performance in JAN and FEB. So that Phil and the boys get a double bonus.
This place just makes me laugh day after day
Nobody should be picking up open time or accepting JM/EXT's.
I don't know if this is true but, don't displaced pilots get 'super' seniority? If so, they would be the first ones back to CA slots.
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12-30-2008, 07:51 PM
#125
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Displaced pilots, at most places, have a limited time of recall to a displaced position.
Most FO's should be happy about the displacement sounds like it will act as a flush bid and allow seniority to prevail. After the recall time expires any bids allow FO's with seniority that previously lacked time to bid captain. Leaving the street captains in the FO seat where their seniority places them.
Most FO's should be happy about the displacement sounds like it will act as a flush bid and allow seniority to prevail. After the recall time expires any bids allow FO's with seniority that previously lacked time to bid captain. Leaving the street captains in the FO seat where their seniority places them.
12-30-2008, 08:17 PM
#126
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Displaced captains have 90 days of super seniorty from the effective date, after that any upgrades are seniority based. With the merger and the state of the industry who knows what will be happening in the near future. We could be hiring or we could be furloughing in the next few months.
12-31-2008, 04:51 AM
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i think this displacement is strictly a scare tactic. it isn't effective till march 2nd. and guess what. a buddy of mine was in the check airmen recurrent they just had and they were telling them that they would have more work to do starting in march.
my take: i have heard that the union has the contract in hand and is reviewing it for a possible ta. all of us know that the contract will mean the company needs to hire more pilots. we will have better work rules, more days off, etc etc. all of that adds up to more people on property. the memo from the company will read something along the lines of "We are very excited about this TA and believe our pilots deserve it. We are also excited that once this ta has passed we will be able to cancel the recent displacement and be able to put everyone back in their positions along with hiring on more pilots."
get ready for the propoganda to begin. remember the company doesn't have to pay a penny for this displacement till it actually happens in march. that gives them 2 months to scare people into thinking we better vote the contract in or else.
my take: i have heard that the union has the contract in hand and is reviewing it for a possible ta. all of us know that the contract will mean the company needs to hire more pilots. we will have better work rules, more days off, etc etc. all of that adds up to more people on property. the memo from the company will read something along the lines of "We are very excited about this TA and believe our pilots deserve it. We are also excited that once this ta has passed we will be able to cancel the recent displacement and be able to put everyone back in their positions along with hiring on more pilots."
get ready for the propoganda to begin. remember the company doesn't have to pay a penny for this displacement till it actually happens in march. that gives them 2 months to scare people into thinking we better vote the contract in or else.
12-31-2008, 05:06 AM
#128
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
i think this displacement is strictly a scare tactic. it isn't effective till march 2nd. and guess what. a buddy of mine was in the check airmen recurrent they just had and they were telling them that they would have more work to do starting in march.
my take: i have heard that the union has the contract in hand and is reviewing it for a possible ta. all of us know that the contract will mean the company needs to hire more pilots. we will have better work rules, more days off, etc etc. all of that adds up to more people on property. the memo from the company will read something along the lines of "We are very excited about this TA and believe our pilots deserve it. We are also excited that once this ta has passed we will be able to cancel the recent displacement and be able to put everyone back in their positions along with hiring on more pilots."
get ready for the propoganda to begin. remember the company doesn't have to pay a penny for this displacement till it actually happens in march. that gives them 2 months to scare people into thinking we better vote the contract in or else.
my take: i have heard that the union has the contract in hand and is reviewing it for a possible ta. all of us know that the contract will mean the company needs to hire more pilots. we will have better work rules, more days off, etc etc. all of that adds up to more people on property. the memo from the company will read something along the lines of "We are very excited about this TA and believe our pilots deserve it. We are also excited that once this ta has passed we will be able to cancel the recent displacement and be able to put everyone back in their positions along with hiring on more pilots."
get ready for the propoganda to begin. remember the company doesn't have to pay a penny for this displacement till it actually happens in march. that gives them 2 months to scare people into thinking we better vote the contract in or else.
12-31-2008, 05:13 AM
#129
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Originally Posted by 3greens
more work as in? and so your prediction on when the contract might actually happen?
12-31-2008, 05:16 AM
#130
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I think its all a ploy personally. Once/If we get a contract we will need at least the 30 CA's even to run the skeleton crews. With March 2 that gives the jan/feb negotiating sessions pressure from mgmt. It's their only move. Super seniority only counts for effective date + 90 days. If this lasts 4 months and upgrades begin it will first go senior, but also give NO special treatment or real opportunity for the street CA's. The street CA's would be the ones being flushed plus a few at the bottom (obviously). Not cool for anyone.
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