we have one of the best scope clauses out there. its one that will force the company to keep all pilots no matter what certificate they are on to be on one list so that there is no whipsawing or gojet scenario created. something ALPA couldnt or wouldnt do for TSA.

 

I wonder if the YX pilots will end up flying the 'van @ Mokulele. I hear its a fun job, although the 530AM flight from KOA to OGG may require a caffeine injection.

 

No whipsawing? What do you call hiding behind all these certificates? That's a whipsaw in itself..... American says you cannot fly a plane over 50 seats.... "Oh well CHQ is a differerent certificate so we are legally following the contract."

Does your scope clause speak to what happens with pilots whom are furloughed pilots with a DOH long before many of your pilots were even out of Junior High? I have a bad feeling the Midwest guys will have the USairways furloughed pilots results after that merger. They will be put at the bottom of the list and not one RAH pilot will even care how wrong it is.... Fact is these guys are great additions to their pilot group but they are too young to realize it as a whole.....

But I mean I guess it means the Captain who only has been at RAH 3-4 years belongs in the left seat over the Midwest B717 Captain or the MD80 Captain who has ten of thousands of flight hours.... I just do not see this ending good. And if it does and they all agree, I will be the first to admit I am wrong....

Is there even a Midwest any more? I mean or are all the planes going to say Connection? Even the mainline E190s?

 

Here comes the WHIPSAW


Republic may shift Frontier Airlines work to Milwaukee
By Tom Daykin of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Sept. 3, 2009 9:48 p.m.



The company that recently bought Midwest Airlines and is buying Denver-based Frontier Airlines might shift 150 to 400 jobs from Denver and elsewhere to the Milwaukee area.

Republic Airways Holdings Inc. executives are considering the jobs shifts and could make a decision within 30 days, Republic Chief Executive Officer Bryan Bedford said Thursday.

Frontier Airlines Holdings Inc. said this week that creditors have approved its bankruptcy reorganization plan, including its planned purchase by Republic. Frontier said it expects its Sept. 10 confirmation hearing in bankruptcy court in New York to be "largely uncontested."

The Frontier jobs that are in play include a customer service center in Las Cruces, N.M., with 150 employees; another 150 heavy maintenance jobs at Denver International Airport, and around 100 other Denver-based positions, Bedford said.

The Las Cruces customer service center will definitely be relocated to save money, Bedford said. Milwaukee, Denver and Indianapolis, where Republic has its corporate headquarters, are each being considered for that operation, he said.

The Denver positions that are in play could stay in that city, or could be moved to Milwaukee or Indianapolis, he said.

The Milwaukee area is being considered in part because both the Midwest operations center, at 6744 S. Howell Ave. in Oak Creek, and the Midwest maintenance hangar near Mitchell International Airport have a lot of available space, Bedford said.

That's the result of job cuts that occurred at Midwest over the past year or so. Most of the cuts, involving over 2,000 positions, occurred before Midwest was sold to Republic on July 31 for $31 million.

Midwest has about 1,000 Milwaukee-area positions but is laying off its union pilots and flight attendants while replacing their aircraft with Republic jets. Those Midwest flight crews could be rehired by Republic, but only after their unions and the unions representing Republic flight crews merge their job seniority lists.

Bedford made his remarks in a meeting with the Journal Sentinel's editorial board. He also repeated plans by Republic to add more Midwest flights from Milwaukee, including renewed service to West Coast destinations.

"There will be some news coming," he said.

Some of those new flights will be on Airbus A319 and A320 jets from Frontier, Bedford said. Republic is scheduled to complete its purchase of Frontier on Oct. 1.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

 

Did I read that right? All the Midwest crews can be "Re-Hired" by RAH but only after interviewing for a job? Wow

Those who want to get into the industry get your application ready... RAH will be hiring!

I guess the thought of a few RAH guys I've spoken with about their union only pushing to secure the Midwest Pilots working during the time of the deal is true... Thus the other 300 plus are sitting on the street or below the rest of the RAH pilot group....

 

You also have this language in your contract...

b. Subject to applicable securities and other laws and
regulations, the Company will review with the union the
details of any material agreements relating to Successorship
transactions in a timely manner, provided that no financial or
other confidential business information need be disclosed
unless suitable arrangements are made for protecting the

confidentiality and use of such information.

c. The operations of the Company and those of the other air
carrier shall be kept separate unless and until the processes
described in paragraph b above is completed and the
seniority lists of the two pilot groups are integrated in
accordance with Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-
Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions are completed. During
such time of separate operations, neither aircraft nor pilots

shall be interchanged without the Union’s written consent.


Midwest and Republic are being merged,

it's not a code-share anymore.

Are you following this section of your contract? NO
Did the Republic pilots stop integration talks? YES
Are more Republic pilots flying more Midwest flights and passengers everyday? YES
Are you flying 100 seat (1 seat blocked) aircraft with no payscale? YES

And you don't what to be called "VIRTUAL SCABS".

People earn respect with actions not words!

 

You are right its not a code share. However that section is still being followed. No Midwest Pilot can fly on either the RW, CHQ, or S5 certificate untill there is a master seniority list. At the same time no current RAH pilot can fly on the Midwest certificate (not that there is expected to be any flying on that certificate). No one has stopped integration talks. Just because it hasnt happend overnight doest mean its not going on. And if you think that we are just going to ignore the fact that the 190's physically have 100 seats and let the company pay us the 77-99 seat pay rate then you have lost all common sense. The union is all ready talking to the company about this and there is a system set up for the airplane to be operated while the pay rate is negotiated with back pay for when the rate is setteled upon.

On a side note; this company is very different from most airlines. They are very tight lipped on any information. They have the union sign confidentiality statements and that contributes to the utter vaccum of information that comes from the crystal palace up there in IND.

 

No where in the article does it say that. They will be going to training for the 190 as soon as the integration is complete. It is hard to figure where you could possibly read that they would need to interview.

 

Midwest Airlines laying off 59 flight crew members - JSOnline

 

I think a reasonable person can see that it is a violation of your contract. It's obvious that this is the replacement of more experienced better paid pilots enabled by RAH pilots.

Funny how the teamsters were gung ho at getting the integration done until the complete furlough of Midwest pilots was announced. They even had a bunch of meetings scheduled and then all of a sudden "we aren't available and won't be for awhile" and you wonder why we filed for arbitration. Something your union said they would if they were in alpa's place.