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Old 12-14-2009 | 07:14 PM
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Like I said.... easy way to make it fair (and Delta would probably love this, since it would free up seats for passengers.... oh wait....):

No more than 3 international travel days for CASS participant OAL carriers. I'm sure that it wouldn't be too hard to figure out how many times they've listed in CASS and traveled transoceanic...
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Old 12-14-2009 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Like I said.... easy way to make it fair (and Delta would probably love this, since it would free up seats for passengers.... oh wait....):

No more than 3 international travel days for CASS participant OAL carriers. I'm sure that it wouldn't be too hard to figure out how many times they've listed in CASS and traveled transoceanic...

You guys don't get it. Management isn't willing to dedicate the manpower to fix computer issues for it's own employees. They do not care if the DCI employee's are upset about travel benis.
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Old 12-15-2009 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Like I said.... easy way to make it fair (and Delta would probably love this, since it would free up seats for passengers.... oh wait....):

No more than 3 international travel days for CASS participant OAL carriers. I'm sure that it wouldn't be too hard to figure out how many times they've listed in CASS and traveled transoceanic...
Why restrict it in the first place? Delta pilots aren't restricted to 3 international days on United, Airways, etc??? Your idea is ridiculous. Just make it unlimited like it was with NW, it isn't a novel concept.
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Old 12-15-2009 | 06:32 PM
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Why restrict it in the first place? Delta pilots aren't restricted to 3 international days on United, Airways, etc??? Your idea is ridiculous. Just make it unlimited like it was with NW, it isn't a novel concept.
I know you're a Pinnacle guy too - so we've already got these restrictions. Heck, all the DCI's do.... so, big bad Daddy Delta, please, restrict ALL other airlines too. That would be fair to me. But, just watch those recip agreements dry up...

You know Delta isn't going to relax the ridiculous restriction, so why not make everyone equal who isn't on the Delta seniority list?
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Old 12-15-2009 | 09:11 PM
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Hopefully you realize that all the ZED and jumpseat agreements Pinnacle and other DCI get mirror what NW/DL-ALPA negotiates... anything they do will hurt us 10x more than the mainline pilots. Delta pilots can nonrev overseas as much as they like on DL. I take United overseas a few times a year (and they treat me much better than DL does) and I'd rather not lose that.
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Old 12-16-2009 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by av8sean
Hopefully you realize that all the ZED and jumpseat agreements Pinnacle and other DCI get mirror what NW/DL-ALPA negotiates... anything they do will hurt us 10x more than the mainline pilots. Delta pilots can nonrev overseas as much as they like on DL. I take United overseas a few times a year (and they treat me much better than DL does) and I'd rather not lose that.
I don't think that is true.
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Old 12-16-2009 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by av8sean
Hopefully you realize that all the ZED and jumpseat agreements Pinnacle and other DCI get mirror what NW/DL-ALPA negotiates... anything they do will hurt us 10x more than the mainline pilots. Delta pilots can nonrev overseas as much as they like on DL. I take United overseas a few times a year (and they treat me much better than DL does) and I'd rather not lose that.
Doesn't really matter to me anymore... I'd rather see the OAL people get this restriction too - since right now no one gives a crap about it other than us.
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Old 12-16-2009 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by av8sean
Delta pilots can nonrev overseas as much as they like on DL.
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I don't think that is true.
Actually. according to Travelnet, active employees and family, including parents, have unlimited transoceanic passes.

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Old 12-16-2009 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Actually. according to Travelnet, active employees and family, including parents, have unlimited transoceanic passes.
That's cool. So Delta treats everyone BUT its DCI's with respect... just wanted to make sure I understood Delta management's position. Meanwhile, I strive every day to be as professional and courteous to the passengers that we serve for Delta. Appreciate the recognition of it...
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Old 12-16-2009 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
That's cool. So Delta treats everyone BUT its DCI's with respect... just wanted to make sure I understood Delta management's position. Meanwhile, I strive every day to be as professional and courteous to the passengers that we serve for Delta. Appreciate the recognition of it...
Don't get me wrong. I understand your position. I worked for ASA for over 5 years. What you want though, recognition from mainline management for your endevours will never come. All employees are viewed as detriments to the bottom line, some more than others. If they treat us like crap, how do you think they are going to treat you?

While prior management viewed the DCI companies in an ambivalent manner, the current management views them in a negative way, and are looking for any leverage to use against them. Making the employees disgruntled and causing passenger service to suffer may be a way to get the contract out they need.
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