Hope that answers your question THE CHOW!! Also Comair always announced furloughs the night before Thanksgiving. Dave Soaper always was proud of his fired A$$. But don't worry Eagle is hiring a lot of Comair guys so we'll show you the ropes!!

 

My dollar says they'll transfer some of Eagle's EMB's over to CHQ (or possibly someone else) and offer pilots a transfer with them. I don't think Eagle will furlough, but a shuffling of deck chairs will result in some pilots shifting companies, but I don't think any pilot who has a job will lose it with the divestiture. Some pilots may have the unenviable choice of keeping their upgrade, but going to the other company or staying at the current Eagle (who will change their name and will like CHQ or everyone else, become a "DBA" operation) and going back to F/O.

 

Agreed. I don't think furloughs will come and if they do it will be small, do to the mass exudos to AA via the flow through. Now if AA holds off on hiring... OH all over again!!

 

I wish that is how it works, but see it would be a logistics nightmare for taking company, (where do we fall on list, pay yr, etc. remember we can't tell another company what to do, Contracts) And AMR knows this, this why they are in the process of taking all A/C off of Eagles hands and placing AMR as the only person on the lease(currently, Leasor: Eagle, cosigned by AMR) once all on AMR, then eagle is just flying AMR A/C without an agreement for flying hours ETC. AMR can then award those aircraft to lowest bidder and Eagle will be out some more Aircraft. Thats if were kept wholly owned. If diversified then yes they'll sign a 5 yr agreement for flying at the 5 yr point then they'll piece out the aircraft. So its either be kept wholly owned and have a horrible contract forced on us and still lose some flying or be diversified and start the process in 5 years. But people will not transfer with aircraft

 

....blah blah blah!!! it's end of the world, let's all worry and panic!!!


"for those who like to talk" :20!!

 

Gotta disagree (BTW, I could barely read many parts of that post...it was a grammatical nightmare). To say with certainty that no pilots will transfer with aircraft is extremely presumptuous at this stage (unless of course, you are deliberately trying to instill fear).

The fact is, the current Eagle is spending huge sums of money hiring and training pilots and cannot transfer one or two aircraft/month to another carrier as it would take a couple of years to complete any reasonable transfer number. In order for any whipsaw scenario to be effective, Eagle will have to transfer several dozen (at minimum), so either another carrier will have to have perhaps 500 EMB pilots sitting around being paid and flying nothing and be over staffed by that hideous percentage or they'll have to come already qualified with the aircraft. The Eagle CBA already has successorship language ensuring an orderly process of integration with those pilots that tansfer (apparently you must be unaware of this).

Should Eagle just transfer the planes and lay off those pilots, it would take most carriers a year of hiring and training to get the whole fleet up and running with the planes parked and the former customers signing up for frequent flyer miles with the competition never to return. Interesting to note AMR is supposedly only interested in transferring the EMB's and not the CRJ's, eh ?

You sound fresh and new to Eagle (if you're at Eagle at all) and that's cool, but I think you need to think this through a bit more.

 

You guys are so entertaining with all your "oh we're getting spun off stuff." Come on now, have any of you even thought it through in the stightest bit? I'll dumb it down for you all.

lets say...
AMR stock at $6.

AMR spins Eagle off to existing shareholders so the end result is shareholders have AMR/AA at $5 a share, and Eagle at $1 a share (example only guys - relax)... They have been telling your union for months that you are too expensive and not cost competative, and that they are going to outsource to the lowest bidder.

What this means is that AMR management is asking the Board of Directors to authorize the spin off of Eagle as a standalone, and to split the share value in whatever ratio they come up with... then they are going to bid out your flying to the lowest bidder which won't be you guys since Eagle is not cost competative... so, Eagle goes out of business.

Does that sound like a good career move to you for any of the CEO's? That business plan is career suicide. Both Arpey and Garton will be on the street the next day when all of the Eagle shares become worthless... and a few BOD members may be right behind them if they are to stave off a stockholder revolt.

This isn't about forcing you guys to be cost competative or to bid for your flying... it's about setting up their options to do an end run around our scope restrictions by spining you off, and making you an interline provider instead of a CPA contractor. The stage was set with jetBlue... You will do the same flying you do now, but in larger airplanes. As an interline provider you are not under our scope section for regional feeders, and by DOT standards you have become a major carrier. They will reprogram Sabre to make your flights the flights of choice when people book ticket travel, just as they do now. The revenue will be going back to the same group of shareholders.

The other option this spin off sets them up for is to BK us while having you guys around to continue flying as much of the schedules as possible.

In the grand scheme of things; getting your own union to help talk concessions is just icing on the cake for management.... it makes no difference if you guys work for free... it isn't about Eagle, it's about AA.

 

No if diversified we would have a 5 year contract then they would bid our AC away. Which shareholders would like, since they would sell Eagle stock the day they got anyway, and by bidding to lowest bidder they would get an increase in AMR stock. Your falling into step one, ask the 18 yr guys at OH how step one feels since they will be on the street next summer, and 20 yr guys will be reserve

 

@Eaglefly

I totally agree with with you Sir, what U are saying makes TOTAL business sense......

How many pilots do U think Eagle must have Hired in the last 6 months & will hire in the next 6 momths. I think abt 500 so far in the last 6 months & another 500 in the rest of 2011.. Plus at least 200 upgrades this year.
Assuming a training cost of a meagre amount of $10,000 per pilot times the 1200 pilots. And we both know it costs a lot more to train a fresh FO or upgrade a FO to captain.

That is a lot of money to be spent by a company who knows there entire existance or the way they will exist is at stake......

Doesn't make good business sense..... Infact Doesn't make any business sense...... Neither by Eagle nor AMR ....

Let's assume hypothetically, that untill recently, both AMR & Eagle mgmt didn't have a clue that this could happen, they have no idea what the future is, then why would any company invest more money for a unknown, uncertain future.

They would IDEALLY stop all the spending till they know what is their future, including all current classess & all new upgrades & New Hiring........

But they are NOT doing that....... They are doing the opposite...

So, reading between the lines, there is something else also which is going on behind the scenes & headlines.......

Also, if the entire EMB were to be given to a new company to fly without pilots, where will they get they required captains to fly for them on Day1, will AMR risk it's flying & operations coming to Halt to save some money.......... NO

Even though I am not Eagle employee yet, but my business sense is telling me that there is this is all a show, there is definitely something else behind the scenes......

May be Pilots, Cabin Crew or ground staff contract renewals is due & it is a scare tactic or something else.

 

I have to agree with this post. I think AMR management have a whole plan in which not even the union know.

They are just waiting for the proper moment. They just keep saying that they will take a decision "in two weeks", every two weeks.