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Old 07-19-2011 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by V1 ROT8
To clarify my above statement... When I say no longer work for Eagle, I mean when our flying is farmed out and you are transferred to the new carrier via the scope language.
Pending someone else is willing to pay AMR prices for leases on really old 145s in a job market where no one can even fill classes.
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Old 07-19-2011 | 02:18 PM
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Much stronger scope for AE with this new announcement.
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Old 07-19-2011 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Da Magic
Wouldn't be surprised to see new minimums for employment. An ATP.
I dunno... Eagle can't fill classes with 500/50, how would adding an ATP help? Even with all these goodies, most people wouldnt want to work at a company for 8 years (assumed time to get high enough to transfer to AA) THEN get the big time. Those people probably would be better served waiting till AA hires then try interviewing for those 65% remaining slots.
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Old 07-19-2011 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
Pending someone else is willing to pay AMR prices for leases on really old 145s in a job market where no one can even fill classes.
Very true, but also pending the contract that AMR and APA are supposedly close to agreeing on. What will the scope section look like with such a senior pilot group? Then add to that AMR's supposed "big aircraft order" that should be announced in the next few days and you can see while I'm not exactly jumping for joy right now. If the jobs we could lose would be flying going to back to AA it would be worth it. But I'm not gonna get excited about a "potential" job in 8 + years at AA when this flying will most likely go to other contractors and be used as a whipsaw against us.
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Old 07-19-2011 | 02:24 PM
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we will see, this could go all over, it is all part of a bigger puzzle, and I still do not think it is getting rid of Eagle, it is to get more 70 seaters and some 90 seats as well, imo
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Old 07-19-2011 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
... it is to get more 70 seaters and some 90 seats as well, imo
IMO, that's a step backwards as well.
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Old 07-19-2011 | 02:49 PM
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ya IDK this is starting to get way outside my paygrade, but I know AA ie AE has very few 70 and no 90 seat jets, while Delta has a ton flying their logo. AA is running Dino 80s on routes that DAL is paying someone to fly with a CRJ900. To me that seems to be the biggest cost gap to AA, not paying a little extra to Eagle. Seems to me they are trying to figure out that scope issue more than anything.
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Old 07-19-2011 | 03:07 PM
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Old 07-19-2011 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SATCFI
Thats the million dollar question. However, if this sticks, according to the agreement you have a job. No interview, no medical. when your number comes up you in. just might be a while to get you place in line. AA is not known for mass growth and hiring. Some of the AA furloughees being recalled right now are from 10 years ago i believe
Yes but last number I heard was only a 10% acceptance rate of recalls. If I understand it correctly they get 2 opportunities for recall and then they lose their spot. I find it hard to believe that the hiring going on right now is a result of that. We are pretty short across the board without losing pilots to AA. This just potentially aggravates the situation (in a good way). It sounds good on the surface, but some of the other things are kind of vague like if furloughed they will work to get preferential hiring at the airline doing the flying in event of a divesture. My question is, if this happens do you retain your hiring rights at AA. My guess would be no....
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Old 07-19-2011 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by snippercr
I dunno... Eagle can't fill classes with 500/50, how would adding an ATP help? Even with all these goodies, most people wouldnt want to work at a company for 8 years (assumed time to get high enough to transfer to AA) THEN get the big time. Those people probably would be better served waiting till AA hires then try interviewing for those 65% remaining slots.
First the comment was in jest. Second, what would a current non-121 ATP do right now? With no 121 experience, military background, or PIC turbine what major would look at you anyways?
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