oh no, now you did it, now you've done it! Oh my, let me get the popcorn!!!

On probation the only thing you don't have a right to is the grievance process for termination. Everything else in the contract applies to you.

This whole thing the union can't do anything for you or your new so you have no rights is BS. The union can do everything for a probationary member that an active member is entitled to except to grieve a termination.

Anyway it really doesn't apply in this case. He was asked to do something against the FAR's. If you are active, probationary, or don't even have a union at all, there was only ONE simple answer...No.

Stop talking logic, this is a web forum. There is one guy on here I actually know who it is now, and he talks all kinds of crap on here. When I see him in the crew room he tries to talk up a big storm with all these stats (most he is just repeating off this website), and usually someone finally speaks up and he gets shutdown. He has no balls when people speak up to him in person, and just gives up and bends over. He also thinks he works for AA the way he talks. He said that he wont take a paycut even if it means we have to furlough 1000s. Real winner :rolleyes:.

Sorry that you got stuck as an FO for life at Eagle.

Jesus, it sounds like Eagle's really turned into a rathole. In their desperation for pilots over the last few years, they really must have lowered the standards and hooked a lot of dregs.

Sad, it used to be such a great group. :confused:

wait, the 20% will go all the way to the bottom pilot. wingtips will only find out the hard way. does anyone here believe that ae will not shrink. get real. if ae gets to replace the 135/140's for a 90 seater dont you think it will be 2 for1. eventually ove time 175 will be parked and replaced with 90 90 seaters. It is a simple fact. So why be for a 20percent pay cut when the final outcome is the same, half the size and half the pilots furloughed. this is what alpa is not saying.

Not necessarily. First off, it's not something that's going to happen overnight and from what I understand all the EMJs are grouped together on the lease. So it's not a matter of parking the -135s and -140s. The entire EMJ fleet would have to be parked and AA can't afford to lose 80% of it's feed.
With the FT/DT and ATP rules about to kick in Eagle would be stupid to furlough. Obviously we are overstaffed right now. Just look at the lines. Some MIA ATR lines worth 46hrs and 21 days off. DFW EMJ lines at 60hrs, 20 days off. Obviously doesn't make much business sense to be doing this, especially in bankruptcy. So if they didn't really need all of us, you'd think they would have furloughed by now or at least offered LOAs by now. The company already knows what they're going to do with us. You guys are so pessimistic. At least wait for the fleet plan to come out or some legitimate facts before you preach that the sky is falling. If it's going to be "so bad and we're going to furlough half the list", do us a favor and go to another $hitty regional, and let everyone move up a number.

IMO, the pilot group is great. I think people can make poor comments when on shakey ground.

cat fight!!!!!

Keep in mind this is the training dept you are dealing with NOT crew scheduling!
These folks in the training dept really have NO clue what they are doing! It's one mistake after another when dealing with them.
I've not been with eagle very long, but in my short time here i have had no major issues with C/S!