Considering this where AMR wants to put the majority of its domestic network, it will also likely mean very few will escape to AA. Of course, AA won't be much better anyway. If AMR gets their wishes at AA, managements at UAL snd Delta will be next in line. Likewise, if this flies at Eagle, it will be the benchmark for the other regionals and due to continuously eroding mainline scope, the career stop for many. I couldn't help but compare this to my old original contract at my Eagle carrier from the mid-late 1980's. In effect, AMR wants to roll the clock back 25 years and wipe clean ANY gains made by pilots in a quarter century. If successful, they will for all intents and proposes have busted the unions, which is really what this Chapter 11 is all about.

 

Other updates:

SJU base closing completely by March 2013

39 E135s being returned to Embraer by the end of next year (18 this year)

AA is filing the 1113 motion next week to start the clock on throwing out AA's contracts


In my personal opinion after looking at the term sheet, ALPA won't even bother putting it to the pilots for a vote based on the backlash amongst the group. Looks like we are riding this one all the way in gentlemen. Maybe we will make Eaglefly proud afterall

 

Lock your seatbelts

 

Unless I am reading it wrong, there is a teleconference happening right now. Anyone else having trouble calling in or getting it to stream on their computer?

 

Operation Orange Bunker.wmv - YouTube

 

Well this is thr public release statement from the AE MEC himself.
If you can read and understand let me know where it is mentioned that this is outrageous, insulting or for that matter just not good.

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March 21, 2012



American Eagle Pilot Leader Responds to Management Proposal

EULESS, TX—Capt. T.G., chairman of the American Eagle arm of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, released the following statement today:

“Today, in a meeting with the various American Eagle labor group leaders, American Eagle management presented their view of what it will take to restructure our airline. Individual meetings with each labor group followed this larger gathering where management delivered their terms sheet proposal. This proposal represents what Eagle management claims is necessary from the pilot group in order to reach its goals and exit bankruptcy as a successful, competitive, and thriving company.

“During the next few weeks, ALPA’s economic and financial experts, bankruptcy counsel, and negotiators will analyze the proposal, management’s overall restructuring objectives, and its financial justifications. This analysis will consist of cost comparisons and validation, as well as alternative cost savings.

“Following this analysis, ALPA will begin negotiations with the intent to negotiate a consensual deal with management that is workable from both sides of the table that provides management with justifiable cost savings while protecting the quality of life for all Eagle Pilots and its ability to recruit new pilots.”

 

I'm all for riding it in. I will not stand for this "term sheet". I think we should come up with our own terms.

I would rather make them so weak that they get bought out by USAirways or Delta. At least then we would have the satisfaction of seeing a huge majority of the upper echelons of management get their walking papers.

This is Union busting.

There is a saying that we are governed because we consent to be governed. I believe much of that originates with John Locke and his Second Treatise of Civil Government. So in essence we are only bound to these onerous terms if we consent to them. All we have to do is stand as a group and say "No More". We are not bound by the NMB or NLRB or RLA unless we consent to be bound by it. The more of us that stand united against it and declare that we will no longer be governed by these rules, the more the likely the outcome in our favor. Its is a form of protest.

We consent to allow our unions to become weak.

Yes, we can effect change if we truly stand together.

I just wonder how long we're all going to take it until it becomes utterly unbearable? Flying E190s for $25 an hour? 7 days off a month? No guarantee? No per diem? What is our collective breaking point?

And whats the worst that happens if we stand up against all this bs? We get ordered back to work. Ok, and if we don't go? Are they going to put thousands of pilots in jail? I know they certainly aren't going to replace us all. They can't put us all in jail. They can't make us all go back to work if we don't want to and don't allow ourselves to be scared into going back.

I understand this is scary stuff I'm talking about. Probably about as scary as the colonies sending a letter to their dear King stating they were done with his crap. But that's what prevents us from standing united and standing up to this crap - fear.

 

I understand your point, but Eagle doesn't have a strike vote available and unlike AA our contract is not "amendable yet". So ALPA could face huge consequences for a strike!

 

true, but if we dont agree to a contract, have the judge impose then when we do come out of BK section 6 negotiations begin immediately. And since the judge whack the AE CBA, they also whacked the no strike.

 

But we don't need a 'strike vote' and we don't need for our contract to be 'amendable'.

We determine and consent to that as an entire group and there is not one thing they can do to us. It requires us standing together though.

"The concessions of the weak are the concessions of fear."
Edmund Burke

"The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts."
Edmund Burke

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
Leo Tolstoy (also erroneously attributed to Edmund Burke)