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04-09-2010 | 11:25 AM
#61
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My dream is to fly for a living, money doesnt affect that, i will invest and do what i need to make ends meat, maybe im better off than most i have been blessed with a Fiancee` that is a vet and some money already invested in some franchises. The power to better this industry is in the pilots hands it doesnt have to be a vicious cycle.
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04-09-2010 | 11:45 AM
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Take your aviation "hobby" and get it the heck out of my chosen career, you're "investments" have not proven fruitful enough for you to afford your own plane so clearly you NEED the money. It's [people] like you who help drag this industry and QoL down for the professionals that have to suffer through your lack of ethics.
If you can live with ****ty pay as a pilot because your fiancee has money, go work for ****ty pay in another field (oh say, mcdonalds) and fly GA on your spare time.
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04-09-2010 | 12:33 PM
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Haha you can get angry if you want i dont mind it, My opinions still stand. I apologize for the generalization, i will re-phrase. SOME airline pilots are bitter, and SOME older capitains are bitter.
The remarks about young pilots not being qualified is also a generalization, and your remark about not leagally being able to fill a seat is a bit confusing to me, I doubt the airlines are illeagaly hiring FOs...They all have the appropriate raitings to be there.
If they wanna better the industry they need to stop acting like this and start helping these "young" pilots become better.
As far as leaving the industry, if you arent happy where you are then leave, if its not practical and you cant then suck it up and wait til you can. But acting like a child isnt helping you.
Dont wanna hear me complain? Thats fair.. over look my posts then.
Worrying about their situtaion? Again sorry if your career didnt turn out the way you wanted to im sorry but not my fault, maybe im different but if i was homeless and saw a happy well off middle class family pretty sure i wouldnt be bitter at them just happy for em principle still stands.
And as far as your dreams. You wouldnt be here if your dream wasnt to fly, i dont care if you are making 25k a year or 100k a year you are flying a plane for money, that is my dream and at some point was yours, once again if your career isnt what you want...leave or suck it up and leave when you can
And again with the dues crap, listen i didnt fly a caravan for 10 years, i didnt apply to every airline for 10 years and live off of scraps of food. but i went through the same damn training as you and i just got lucky, now why the hell would that make you bitter?
And i dont think a capitain should just respect me but i do expect a professional pilot to be mature enough not to DISRESPECT me we are on the same team.
My logic is spot on, it is simply silly to be bitter at up and coming pilots simply because they were hired earlier in their career or life than you.
Have a good day.
The remarks about young pilots not being qualified is also a generalization, and your remark about not leagally being able to fill a seat is a bit confusing to me, I doubt the airlines are illeagaly hiring FOs...They all have the appropriate raitings to be there.
If they wanna better the industry they need to stop acting like this and start helping these "young" pilots become better.
As far as leaving the industry, if you arent happy where you are then leave, if its not practical and you cant then suck it up and wait til you can. But acting like a child isnt helping you.
Dont wanna hear me complain? Thats fair.. over look my posts then.
Worrying about their situtaion? Again sorry if your career didnt turn out the way you wanted to im sorry but not my fault, maybe im different but if i was homeless and saw a happy well off middle class family pretty sure i wouldnt be bitter at them just happy for em principle still stands.
And as far as your dreams. You wouldnt be here if your dream wasnt to fly, i dont care if you are making 25k a year or 100k a year you are flying a plane for money, that is my dream and at some point was yours, once again if your career isnt what you want...leave or suck it up and leave when you can
And again with the dues crap, listen i didnt fly a caravan for 10 years, i didnt apply to every airline for 10 years and live off of scraps of food. but i went through the same damn training as you and i just got lucky, now why the hell would that make you bitter?
And i dont think a capitain should just respect me but i do expect a professional pilot to be mature enough not to DISRESPECT me we are on the same team.
My logic is spot on, it is simply silly to be bitter at up and coming pilots simply because they were hired earlier in their career or life than you.
Have a good day.
Jump on in the water is fine.
I'm sure it will be everything you have been dreaming of.
04-09-2010 | 08:23 PM
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From: Baron B-55 Left Seat
Take your aviation "hobby" and get it the heck out of my chosen career, you're "investments" have not proven fruitful enough for you to afford your own plane so clearly you NEED the money. It's [people] like you who help drag this industry and QoL down for the professionals that have to suffer through your lack of ethics.
Wow man you need to chill out.
No one said i dont need the money there buddy and you clearly have some anger issues. My conversation about my investments were in reply to someone insinuating that i had no clue of the industry problems you should read a few posts back.
I also went out of my way to explain that i have a real problem with pilot pay and any day i get hired flying a 50 150 200 or 500 seater whatever it may be i will be right there with you guys fighting for pay increase because pilots deserve it.
and i would love for you to explain my lack of ethics? Where exactly am i lacking? and what did i say to make you so angry? and make sure you read ALL of the posts before you reply please.
anything i said that offended anyone i am sorry that was not my intention and if telling on these forums that i am not hurting for money and would be ok living off of a 1-4year FO salary until i get enough seniority is that bad of a thing then i will refrain from these convos from now on.
No one here is angry and you should not be either... Chill out bud
04-09-2010 | 08:28 PM
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From: Baron B-55 Left Seat
Lol my fiancee` does not have "money" she can support us through the tough first few years of FO pay but that does not mean i am well off and dont need the pay...
All of you should really chill out there are some deep rooted anger issues in these last few posts sorry to offend you.
04-09-2010 | 08:30 PM
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From: Baron B-55 Left Seat
Again my arguments are against people disrespecting up and coming pilots if i offended you i am sorry i do not nor do i claim to have anything figured out just that pilots should stick together in all this and not look down their nose at lesser experienced ones.
04-09-2010 | 08:34 PM
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I should clarify all of this into one post...
I am not rich
I am not ok with current pay rates for pilots nor will i ever be... My remarks on my investments were in reply to someone warning me of the industry as it is now i was only explaining that my financial situation will allow me to take a pay cut for a few short years until things get better. This is no way means i support lower pay and am ok with it at all.
I got involved in this conversation when i saw a capitain say something disrespectful towards newer pilots.
If i have offended anyone and any point you have my apologies. I am not a problem to the industry because i share the same beliefs as all of you and i will be your biggest support in the fight for better rights for pilots as i am right now.
I am not rich
I am not ok with current pay rates for pilots nor will i ever be... My remarks on my investments were in reply to someone warning me of the industry as it is now i was only explaining that my financial situation will allow me to take a pay cut for a few short years until things get better. This is no way means i support lower pay and am ok with it at all.
I got involved in this conversation when i saw a capitain say something disrespectful towards newer pilots.
If i have offended anyone and any point you have my apologies. I am not a problem to the industry because i share the same beliefs as all of you and i will be your biggest support in the fight for better rights for pilots as i am right now.
04-10-2010 | 05:01 AM
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