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Old 04-08-2010 | 08:28 PM
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Old 04-08-2010 | 08:33 PM
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Guy's, dumb it down just a bit. The basic idea is that airlines will lean towards picking from 121 experienced pilots when hiring first starts as there will be a surplus is pilots on the street that want jobs. As the street pilots tend to thin out and airlines still need a large demand of pilots their standards will adjust to allow them to get the ammount of pilots they need. For those of you without 121 experience instructing in Cessna's, you may have to watch the airlines suck up alot of 121 experienced guy's until they start to get more desperate as the 121 experienced pilots on the street thin out. A guy in 2007 hired to a regional with 380 hrs probably wouldn't have been hired in 2003-2004. It's simple supply and demand.

BTW to me, multi time is just to get the interview. Especially for those flying single turbine's and such. My $.02 ::flamesuit on::
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Old 04-08-2010 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dashtrash300
I hope 1,500 TT and 1,000 Multi or even 1,500 Multi would be nice
Hell, why not 5,000 TT and 3,000 multi? I am sick of these 1,500 hour wet-atp kid-wonders making it to the right seat of an RJ without paying their dues.

In all reality, high multi-time requirements is only going to draw the line between previous part 121 and non part 121 (which is a perfectly fine distinction to made, as all the previous topics have proven). 100-200 hours multi helps weed out those fresh commercials who bought their time and those who spent time hauling boxes or doing a couple hundred Vmc cuts with students in seminoles.

But 1,000 hours multi? How many pilots REALLY got hired with 1,000 or more hours multi? Eagle is hiring right now around 200-300 and there are 121ers on the street. I don't think we'll be seeing much higher than that.
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Old 04-08-2010 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CFItillIdie
And honestly, if they are not current on everything, the street is where they should stay. There have been a lot of people stuck in CFI positions that have been paying their dues. Just sayn'. I have a feeling it will be high...somewhere around 200-500 ME depending on the airline. TT somewhere in the ball park of 1000-1500. Just look at what Eagle has now. That should be a good indication.
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Old 04-09-2010 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by snippercr
Hell, why not 5,000 TT and 3,000 multi? I am sick of these 1,500 hour wet-atp kid-wonders making it to the right seat of an RJ without paying their dues.

In all reality, high multi-time requirements is only going to draw the line between previous part 121 and non part 121 (which is a perfectly fine distinction to made, as all the previous topics have proven). 100-200 hours multi helps weed out those fresh commercials who bought their time and those who spent time hauling boxes or doing a couple hundred Vmc cuts with students in seminoles.

But 1,000 hours multi? How many pilots REALLY got hired with 1,000 or more hours multi? Eagle is hiring right now around 200-300 and there are 121ers on the street. I don't think we'll be seeing much higher than that.
I did along with turboprop and jet experience, and a jet type rating. I was told by more than one in the training department I was really lucky to get hired because I was OVERQUALIFIED!!! I had too much time (though because I had very little turbine pic no major would interview me)
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Old 04-09-2010 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
I did along with turboprop and jet experience, and a jet type rating. I was told by more than one in the training department I was really lucky to get hired because I was OVERQUALIFIED!!! I had too much time (though because I had very little turbine pic no major would interview me)
I was actually about to say "And que all the people who said they got hired with thousands of multi and turbine time." Props to you (no pun) that you were able to land a sweet gig like that before the regionals. Sort of want to ask why you left such job? But my point was, the majority of the people who got hired had considerably less multi time, even now when things are rough.

Also: hopslam.... mmmm
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Old 04-09-2010 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Banshee365
Guy's, dumb it down just a bit. The basic idea is that airlines will lean towards picking from 121 experienced pilots when hiring first starts as there will be a surplus is pilots on the street that want jobs. As the street pilots tend to thin out and airlines still need a large demand of pilots their standards will adjust to allow them to get the ammount of pilots they need. For those of you without 121 experience instructing in Cessna's, you may have to watch the airlines suck up alot of 121 experienced guy's until they start to get more desperate as the 121 experienced pilots on the street thin out. A guy in 2007 hired to a regional with 380 hrs probably wouldn't have been hired in 2003-2004. It's simple supply and demand.

BTW to me, multi time is just to get the interview. Especially for those flying single turbine's and such. My $.02 ::flamesuit on::
and when do you think this is gonna happen? the way i see it, its going to be at least 2014 at the earliest.
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Old 04-09-2010 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wmuflyboy
and when do you think this is gonna happen? the way i see it, its going to be at least 2014 at the earliest.
2012-2013 IMO....with the age 65 guys starting to/getting ready to retire, airlines are going (a) bring everyone on the street back (b) slowly begin to hire as those who retire leave. I don't think it will be as long as 2014 to see CFIs with no 121 experience getting calls. Not that they aren't getting calls now. I know of people with no 121 experience getting on with Colgan because they happen to know someone.
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Old 04-09-2010 | 09:17 AM
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Im personally really sick of reading this crap day in and day out... Its the same stuff over and over. You high time Airline pilots are always looking down your nose at those "Wet-ATP-Kid-Wonders" that make it to the right seat....


The airline must have saw some skill in that kid or he wouldnt have been there. If you dont like the industry then leave... If you had to have more hours to be hired than the current market that sucks sorry but i dont wanna hear you complain. I am only 20 years old, ive jumped hurdles and moved mountains to finish my flight training and ill be dammed if i let some bitter old capitain sit here and disrespect me and other young pilots by saying we havent payed our dues...Hell just finishing training is almost impossible nowadays, flight schools trying to rip you off, greedy examiners, bad weather, terrible economy, high fuel prices, bad hiring market, and to beat it all the more experiance pilots like some of you are so bitter you wont even look in the direction of a student pilot or a new pilot let alone help them or give them advice. You should be happy that we dont have to live off food stamps while waiting for a job....Im really sorry if you did, but now you are living your dream you should be stoked. Sounds to me like you are a bit immature to say stuff like that. Im sitting in a marketing office at an insurance company going insane behind a desk to pay my bills waiting for my chance to fly for an airline or cargo company, i have no clue what "dues" you are talking about but that is not in the job requirements sir you need to grow up.


As far as the minimums id say they are gonna be high to start off with just like everyone else. But as ive already learned newer pilots just need to hang in there our time will come.
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Old 04-09-2010 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CFItillIdie
Since I seemed to have started a flame war here on this thread, let me explain two things.

1) I know of way too many dudes who jumped on the bandwagon and got in the door who were the 500 hr wonders that are furloughed. Most of those dudes could not get a gig because they BURNED BRIDGES or they just could care less to instruct because it was below them. They are not doing anything to further their careers as pilots and belong on the street.

I hear it way too much on here that people are just casually collecting a check from the unemployment office, and sound like they could care less about finding any flying gig. My hats off to those who are in the trenches doing the right things they need to do (jump pilots, instructors, box haulers) to get their time in.

2) Don't assume that everyone on here who is a CFI is some young buck with acne who doesn't know how the industry works. I may not have RJ training, but I do have other training in my hip pocket that would help a great deal with RJ school. I know the difference between a 172 and a Jet, but thanks for your sarcasm. I am not going to sit here and discus my resume, because that would just not be polite. But I don't need any of you people to do a damn thing to walk in my resume, but thanks for the thought. And hell yeah I can fly the XXXX out of a 172...can you? Everyone on here needs to loosen up the belt just a little bit, myself included. This industry sucks, and if you don't have a back up plan, well then you are just in quicksand.
What are you talking about? And actually most of you don't know how the industry works, if you did, you won't be applying.
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